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Reply #10 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 12:15am
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 11:42pm:
Yes, this civil "case" had no business tying up a L.A. courtroom for two days.  It was a waste of taxpayer money.  And you're right - the police never should have aprehended the mom without probable cause.
rival rights is not the same as a cival cacse that is y i beliove u sdhould olny be liglely responce for ur self not ur kids or ur wife or ur lifes
  
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I think its reasonable to determine this on a case by case basis.  If a person can be determined to be a danger to themselves or others via the due process of law then its reasonable to curtail their rights somewhat.   There does need to be a pretty thorough vetting process though.
  
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Reply #12 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 1:11pm
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ahhell wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:49am:
I think its reasonable to determine this on a case by case basis.  If a person can be determined to be a danger to themselves or others via the due process of law then its reasonable to curtail their rights somewhat.   There does need to be a pretty thorough vetting process though. 


Sometimes you talk like a rational and responsible adult. Why isn't that all the time? Is the problem endemic in libertarians in that they are just contrary people to start with?

This fringe movement has something common with all of you. It has to be anti-establishement motivated, which has grown to outright contrariness.

  
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Reply #13 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 3:13pm
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ahhell wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:49am:
I think its reasonable to determine this on a case by case basis.  If a person can be determined to be a danger to themselves or others via the due process of law then its reasonable to curtail their rights somewhat.   There does need to be a pretty thorough vetting process though. 


Pure logic dictates that a known criminal is a greater danger to themselves or others than someone known to be insane but not known to be a criminal.

In one instance, the danger is proven, and in the other, the danger is simply likely.

Do you support limiting the rights of murderers?
  

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Reply #14 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:02pm
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Don_G wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 1:11pm:
Sometimes you talk like a rational and responsible adult. Why isn't that all the time? Is the problem endemic in libertarians in that they are just contrary people to start with?

This fringe movement has something common with all of you. It has to be anti-establishement motivated, which has grown to outright contrariness.

and u are ok with the status que i think most people that call them selfs libertarian are anti-establishement and should be anti-authoritarian who are u King George III
  
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Reply #15 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:43pm
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 3:13pm:
Pure logic dictates that a known criminal is a greater danger to themselves or others than someone known to be insane but not known to be a criminal.

In one instance, the danger is proven, and in the other, the danger is simply likely.

Do you support limiting the rights of murderers?

Yes, to the extent and duration prescribed by law.  If possible they should be rehabilitated and allowed to rejoin society just as those determined to be incapacitated should be.
  
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Reply #16 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 5:22pm
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ahhell wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:43pm:
Yes, to the extent and duration prescribed by law.  If possible they should be rehabilitated and allowed to rejoin society just as those determined to be incapacitated should be. 

negtive reenforce ment dose not work in rehabilitation thats y we have be that go in on mainer crimes and come out of there stenitce a even biger criminal we need to look at the sorce of the problem not the symptoms
  
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Reply #17 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 5:32pm
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thermf5 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 5:22pm:
negtive reenforce ment dose not work in rehabilitation thats y we have be that go in on mainer crimes and come out of there stenitce a even biger criminal we need to look at the sorce of the problem not the symptoms   

Well, I didn't say the current system is effective at rehab.  Among its many failures is we continue punishing ex-cons long after their official sentences are up. 

Edit to add, with most criminals if you just wait until they are around 30 years old they won't be criminals anymore.  That is unless you pen them up with a bunch of other angry and violent criminals for years.
  
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Reply #18 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:17pm
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ahhell wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 5:32pm:
Well, I didn't say the current system is effective at rehab.  Among its many failures is we continue punishing ex-cons long after their official sentences are up. 

Edit to add, with most criminals if you just wait until they are around 30 years old they won't be criminals anymore.  That is unless you pen them up with a bunch of other angry and violent criminals for years.

to the 2ed statement i am with u 100% but i do belive some people are lost couses and ur funtrail cortex neutrally machures at 27 with controls impulses and other higher brian futions
  
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Reply #19 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:44pm
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ahhell wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:43pm:
Yes, to the extent and duration prescribed by law.  If possible they should be rehabilitated and allowed to rejoin society just as those determined to be incapacitated should be. 


Right, but even when "rehabilitated" a criminal is still more likely to commit a crime than someone not proven to be a criminal.

So why should the mentally ill be tried and convicted of what they haven't yet done, and their rights limited because of it, when criminals who have done it don't even have their rights limited after they serve their sentences? Even though the criminals are a greater objective risk?
  

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