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When libertarians say healthcare is slavery.....
Feb 9th, 2018 at 5:12pm
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Libertarians often respond to the "right to healthcare" with, "you do not have a right to the labor and services of another person"

however,

doesn't the Sixth Amendment grant you the right to a lawyer? Isn't that technically 'slavery' as well?
  
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Re: When libertarians say healthcare is slavery.....
Reply #1 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:52pm
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DontTread44 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 5:12pm:
Libertarians often respond to the "right to healthcare" with, "you do not have a right to the labor and services of another person"

however,

doesn't the Sixth Amendment grant you the right to a lawyer? Isn't that technically 'slavery' as well?


Is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness granted to Americans.

If so then it needs to be interpreted to mean they are entitled to affordable and good health care.

FOR ALL THE PEOPLE!
  
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Re: When libertarians say healthcare is slavery.....
Reply #2 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:01pm
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DontTread44 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 5:12pm:
Libertarians often respond to the "right to healthcare" with, "you do not have a right to the labor and services of another person"

however,

doesn't the Sixth Amendment grant you the right to a lawyer? Isn't that technically 'slavery' as well?


When the government makes you sick, the government should pay for your health care.  When the government puts you in legal jeopardy by accusing you of a crime, they should pay for your lawyer. 

  

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Snarky Sack wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
When the government makes you sick, the government should pay for your health care.  When the government puts you in legal jeopardy by accusing you of a crime, they should pay for your lawyer. 


In Canada the government will provide you with a lawyer if you can't afford one. The crime won't matter. That's socially responsible.

And government looks after all sick people, regardless of their responsibility. Government accept responsibility. Canadians will always vote for government that does that.

I think that maybe the reason why Americans can't accept universal health care is because too many black people would beneift.

And that civil war loss by the south could never cotton to such social responsibility. Racism burnsred, as ugly as that pimple on your nose.
  
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Re: When libertarians say healthcare is slavery.....
Reply #4 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:16pm
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In Canada the government will provide you with a lawyer if you can't afford one. The crime won't matter. That's socially responsible.

And government looks after all sick people, regardless of their responsibility. Government accept responsibility. Canadians will always vote for government that does that.

I think that maybe the reason why Americans can't accept universal health care is because too many black people would beneift.


Your country will never accept a Canadian style health system as long as Canadians stream across to take advantage of your country's far superior health system.



  

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Reply #5 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 8:31pm
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In Canada the government will provide you with a lawyer if you can't afford one. The crime won't matter. That's socially responsible.

And government looks after all sick people, regardless of their responsibility. Government accept responsibility. Canadians will always vote for government that does that.

I think that maybe the reason why Americans can't accept universal health care is because too many black people would beneift.

And that civil war loss by the south could never cotton to such social responsibility. Racism burnsred, as ugly as that pimple on your nose.

u knoe if u go to alberta or calgry there raceist there and the rstion y amercin do not have univercal heth care in the same restion chia dose not there is 2 big of a population for it to work  helth care is a lage expence every where even in contries where the cost of liveing is cheep phrmacucal cost money to many there there the splized labor cost thats y free clinics where a big thing before the aca er   treatment is a right but helth carce is baced on acese u can have inshure to the aca stated or even above it dose not matter if there are no  doctors to teat u for ur condition or splishists that u need with out travling out of state or grate distances or the fact that helth inshurnce in limited olny to the state ur in unless u have medicare or medicade there are problems with the american system but canda has its own set of cons every thing dose can we look at every thing as a set of pros and cons and do cost benifit anisis and just just look at the pro or the con of any pont
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:05pm
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Re: When libertarians say healthcare is slavery.....
Reply #7 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 11:41pm
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DontTread44 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 5:12pm:
doesn't the Sixth Amendment grant you the right to a lawyer? Isn't that technically 'slavery' as well?


Yes. The Sixth Amendment (that part of it at least) is fundamentally un-libertarian. In order to provide someone with a lawyer, either the lawyers must be enslaved or people other must be at least partially enslaved to pay them.

Ideally, private courts should handle these issues and if you couldn't get charity, and you couldn't pay, then tough.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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