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Re: Bernie Sanders says social security is a very successful program that
Reply #10 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 1:53pm
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The simplicity of the explanation is in knowing that automation has caused enormous wealth among a very few and that wealth isn't being distributed around to the masses.

That's all easily provable by looking at wealth levels and the hugely grown income inequality.

It's not the government's job to equalize incomes or distribute wealth.  That crazy idea was invented by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in 1848 - the founding fathers of communism.

An individual's wealth is property, and the government has no right to lay claim to it. This is a concept you and Bernie will never understand.  No moonbat ever could.

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Reply #11 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:00pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 1:49pm:
In your country, the masses have cell phones, plasma screens and Uber accounts.  The reason that your country leads others in providing material wealth to middle and lower income people is that its relatively free economy encourages innovation and mass marketing.  It encourages that by allowing the innovators and risk takers to pursue wealth and keep some of the wealth they create.






I would love to but I can't clarify which country I would be talking about. Let's just say I'm talking about the US as my country. And therefore, my country doesn't lead in the ways you've mentioned. To find the truth you would have to refer to poverty statistics of the modern first world countries.

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Can you tell me why inequality in a system like that would bother you?


Poverty bothers me because if effect people negatively and if not fought against to eliminate, will bring the country down. Down in the sense that it already has in the US, and also down in the sense that it will destroy the country.

My country.

Let's not get too far off the obvious truths I laid out in my earlier post. Distribution of the wealth is not happening in the US and that's the country's biggest problem.

You elected a president who's goal is to promote that more than ever before, but you elected him because of his lies. He pretended to be what Bernie Sanders really was and is.

Trump will promote his politics with short term positive effects. Much the same way Reagan found short lived success.
  
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Re: Bernie Sanders says social security is a very successful program that
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Can you tell me why inequality in a system like that would bother you?


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Poverty bothers me because if effect people negatively and if not fought against to eliminate, will bring the country down. Down in the sense that it already has in the US, and also down in the sense that it will destroy the country.

My country.




So it isn't that rich people are rich, but that poor people are poor which concerns you?  If there were a system in which wealth were unlimited but the poorest had plenty, you would be fine with that?
  

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Re: Bernie Sanders says social security is a very successful program that
Reply #13 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:08pm
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Distribution of the wealth is not happening in the US and that's the country's biggest problem.

Liar.  Distribution of the wealth happens millions of times every day.   When a welfare recipient cashes the check that I and other hard-working Americans paid for, that's wealth distribution. 

You know it is, so when you make the statement   "Distribution of the wealth is not happening in the US", that's a lie.  Because you know your statement is false.
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:12pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:05pm:
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So it isn't that rich people are rich, but that poor people are poor which concerns you?  If there were a system in which wealth were unlimited but the poorest had plenty, you would be fine with that?


That wouldn't work because you're promoting an impossible again. Wealth is relative and so if the wealth of the richest was unlimited then the wealth of the poorest would be insufficient for their wellbeing.

I almost ignored the notion because of it being an impossibility but then I reconsidered because you may not have understood it was that.

Although on consideration of your notion it would have eventually came to you. So keep it serious right now if you want my participation. There has to be some gain in talking to you.

So far you're evading and trying not to be nailed down to anything specific.
  
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Re: Bernie Sanders says social security is a very successful program that
Reply #15 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:16pm
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So it isn't that rich people are rich, but that poor people are poor which concerns you?  If there were a system in which wealth were unlimited but the poorest had plenty, you would be fine with that?


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That wouldn't work because you're promoting an impossible again. Wealth is relative and so if the wealth of the richest was unlimited then the wealth of the poorest would be insufficient for their wellbeing.



It isn't impossible.  We have it right here, right now, in your country.
  

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Reply #16 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:23pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:16pm:
SnarkySack wrote Today at 2:05pm:
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It isn't impossible.  We have it right here, right now, in your country.


I disagree. You've promoted an impossibility by saying that wealth is unlimited and isn't denied to the people which makes it insufficient to their needs.

No spamming allowed for now. Jeff will come back to play with you. You need to apply some common sense quickly now.
  
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Re: Bernie Sanders says social security is a very successful program that
Reply #17 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:31pm
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I disagree. You've promoted an impossibility by saying that wealth is unlimited and isn't denied to the people which makes it insufficient to their needs.




Fair enough.

What are the U.S. poor denied that they need?

  

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Reply #18 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:52pm
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:08pm:
Liar.  Distribution of the wealth happens millions of times every day.   When a welfare recipient cashes the check that I and other hard-working Americans paid for, that's wealth distribution. 

You know it is, so when you make the statement   "Distribution of the wealth is not happening in the US", that's a lie.  Because you know your statement is false.


I was hoping to not have to deal with you and start explaining the obvious. And so I won't for now in the hope you will think it out and it will come to you.
  
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Reply #19 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 3:04pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 2:31pm:
Fair enough.

What are the U.S. poor denied that they need?



Poverty has been defined for you already.

The issue that's important to me is that in the 21st. century that which is your cross to bear with this bullshit libertarians philosophy, is a given to be inconsequential to others who understand it's 180 degrees from reality.

Is it too simple to just tell you that the wealth has to be shared more now than every before.

Can't you understand that you're pushing an idea that's time has come and gone?

Let's promote a new twist to the old argument. The rich get rich off the backs of the people. Society provides a place in which the rich are enabled to make themselves richer. That makes it clear that their money isn't really all theirs. They owe a debt to the society that has enabled them.

Many very wealthy people understand that and they practice what they believe by being super generous in charitable donations.

The hitch is, not all of them do and so government has to ensure they do to some extent. When a Trump comes along who is willing to fight against the simple facts of need then the apple cart is upset.

You've going to have to eventually come to terms with that more than you are. Granted, it's partially accepted but it's still a fight to accept it fully enough.

I think it may kill any wrong notions the ignorant bastards who frequent this forum have. They're motivated to go backwards!

Does this prove I'm not a libertarian. Yes, if the kind of libertarianism you promote is the kind that can't understand what I've said.

If you want to think of something I call 'real' libertarianism then we can talk about it. If not then there's nothing.
  
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