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Reply #20 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 5:41pm
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The type of poverty Don wants to eliminate is a logical necessity unless population control is implemented.

People at the bottom, if elevated to have more than minimum, will have babies until they just have the minimum again, no matter how many resources you give them. They will turn the resources into babies and be poor again.

The poor who don't do this aren't represented in the next generation.

The don't-have-as-many-babies-as-possible strategy is then destroyed in the next few generations, exacerbating (as well as producing) this problem.
  

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Reply #21 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 6:05pm
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Real people first try to deal with poverty, then they kill all the Christians who are interfering with birth control measures in poor countries. Then they start considering methods to reduce population growth.

But you're just an evil piece of shit Oppo, who make a fukking joke out of serious situations. Grow up asshole, you ceased being funny long ago.
  
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Reply #22 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 6:12pm
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It is a serious situation. People can't afford the babies they have, and other people can't go on supporting them as their population continues to explode.

Welfare is unsustainable if you let the poor breed infinitely. Not all of them will use birth control, and then, again, the responsible element is selected against.

Once you run out of resources to give them, you can ultimately let them die when they overbreed, or stop them from overbreeding so they won't die. Those are your choices.

Don't get mad at me because reality and logic are cruel.
  

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Re: Bernie Sanders says social security is a very successful program that
Reply #23 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 6:41pm
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SnarkySack wrote Today at 2:31pm:
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Fair enough.

What are the U.S. poor denied that they need?


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Poverty has been defined for you already.

The issue that's important to me is that in the 21st. century that which is your cross to bear with this bullshit libertarians philosophy, is a given to be inconsequential to others who understand it's 180 degrees from reality.

Is it too simple to just tell you that the wealth has to be shared more now than every before.

Can't you understand that you're pushing an idea that's time has come and gone?

Let's promote a new twist to the old argument. The rich get rich off the backs of the people. Society provides a place in which the rich are enabled to make themselves richer. That makes it clear that their money isn't really all theirs. They owe a debt to the society that has enabled them.

Many very wealthy people understand that and they practice what they believe by being super generous in charitable donations.

The hitch is, not all of them do and so government has to ensure they do to some extent. When a Trump comes along who is willing to fight against the simple facts of need then the apple cart is upset.

You've going to have to eventually come to terms with that more than you are. Granted, it's partially accepted but it's still a fight to accept it fully enough.

I think it may kill any wrong notions the ignorant bastards who frequent this forum have. They're motivated to go backwards!

Does this prove I'm not a libertarian. Yes, if the kind of libertarianism you promote is the kind that can't understand what I've said.

If you want to think of something I call 'real' libertarianism then we can talk about it. If not then there's nothing.


Well, just name one thing that the poor in the U.S. don't have that they need.

  

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Reply #24 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 8:14pm
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I was hoping to not have to deal with you ...

I believe you.

But I'll be here kicking your sorry ass everytime you tell your lies.  Or Plagiarize. 

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Reply #25 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 9:48pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 6:41pm:
SnarkySack wrote Today at 2:31pm:


Well, just name one thing that the poor in the U.S. don't have that they need.



14.5% of the people in your country are defined as below the poverty line. But that's down from 15 due to Obama in 2012.

Lack of health care is probably a huge factor but it could be any of the markers uses to make the judgment.

The issue isn't whether it's true or not, it's that you don't care and you advocate measures that would make it worse.
  
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Reply #26 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm
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14.5% of the people in your country are defined as below the poverty line. But that's down from 15 during Obama's time.


Yes, everyone is doing better over the last year.  That's not in dispute.

The question is what do the poor not have that they need?

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Lack of health care is probably a huge factor but it could be any of the markers uses to make the judgment.

The issue isn't whether it's true or not, it's that you don't care and you advocate measures that would make it worse.


If it isn't true, what measures could make it worse?  It's like saying that I advocate measures that would slow down Santa's flying reindeer.

Again, the only question on the table is what do the poor not have that they need?


  

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Reply #27 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 10:21pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Feb 11th, 2018 at 10:03pm:
Yes, everyone is doing better over the last year.  That's not in dispute.

The question is what do the poor not have that they need?


If it isn't true, what measures could make it worse?  It's like saying that I advocate measures that would slow down Santa's flying reindeer.

Again, the only question on the table is what do the poor not have that they need?




You've already been told.

Poverty was decreased under Obama and has already risen under Trump. Most are predicting more rise in poverty under Trump. Even Republicans!

You need to bury your money in your potatoe patch next to your guns. The government is still coming at midnight to take it all away.

http://www.dw.com/en/poverty-in-us-set-to-increase-due-to-donald-trumps-policies...
  
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Reply #28 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 3:42am
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Poverty was decreased under Obama...


I did some some cursory fact checking -  As I expected, this is BS.  Poverty actually went UP under Obama.

"The most recent official count from the Census Bureau put the number of Americans in poverty at 45.3 million as of 2013 (the most recent year for which the census has measured poverty). That's not quite 5.5 million more people in poverty than there were in 2008, just before Obama took office. So there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 6 million more people in poverty now than there were before Obama took office."

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/17/432578282/fact-check-is-i...

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Re: Bernie Sanders says social security is a very successful program that
Reply #29 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 8:50am
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You've already been told.

Poverty was decreased under Obama and has already risen under Trump. Most are predicting more rise in poverty under Trump. Even Republicans!

You need to bury your money in your potatoe patch next to your guns. The government is still coming at midnight to take it all away.

http://www.dw.com/en/poverty-in-us-set-to-increase-due-to-donald-trumps-policies...


It's "set to" increase, but so far not so much . . .

Again, I ask:  What do the poor in the U.S. not have that they need?
  

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