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Who but Government Would Come up with Nuclear Bombs?
Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:36pm
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A free market would never select them as a way to  make profit.  Only thieves and tyrants need weapons of mass destruction.

"Socially responsible" indeed.

  

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Re: Who but Government Would Come up with Nuclear Bombs?
Reply #1 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:49pm
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Sorry, I was just watching "On the Beach."  Gregory Peck, Anthony Perkins and Fred Astaire in perhaps his only great role.

I highly recommend it to anyone who thinks government is the answer to anything.
  

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Re: Who but Government Would Come up with Nuclear Bombs?
Reply #2 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:25pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
A free market would never select them as a way to  make profit.  Only thieves and tyrants need weapons of mass destruction.

"Socially responsible" indeed.


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Re: Who but Government Would Come up with Nuclear Bombs?
Reply #3 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:17pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
A free market would never select them as a way to  make profit.  Only thieves and tyrants need weapons of mass destruction.

"Socially responsible" indeed.



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Free markets almost never discriminate, and when they do, the discriminators lose.  Which is why they almost never discriminate
  

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Re: Who but Government Would Come up with Nuclear Bombs?
Reply #4 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:35pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:49pm:
Sorry, I was just watching "On the Beach."  Gregory Peck, Anthony Perkins and Fred Astaire in perhaps his only great role.

I highly recommend it to anyone who thinks government is the answer to anything.


Good choice of a movie because it's so applicable to our times. I'm guessing that was a big part of your motivation to choose it.

I can turn this into a discussion for you too! The Soviet Union's government decided to make nuclear weapons. They followed the US lead and they expressed their reason as being as defensive weapons against aggression.

Were they intending an offense or a defense? Opinions differ widely on that question.

We have succeeded in staying short of a world war for 75 years and I continue to insist that's because of MAD.

Can one really say that the Soviet Union's pursuing nuclear weapons was a bad act on behalf of their government?

Can we say that about North Korea's attaining it's nuclear deterrent to outside aggression?

Can we say it about Israel? If indeed Israel has nuclear weapons?
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 2:11pm
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Don_G wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:35pm:
Can one really say that the Soviet Union's pursuing nuclear weapons was a bad act on behalf of their government?


Yes, Stalin, it was.  They wanted nuclear power because they are the aggressor

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Re: Who but Government Would Come up with Nuclear Bombs?
Reply #6 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 2:39pm
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Don_G wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 1:35pm:
Good choice of a movie because it's so applicable to our times. I'm guessing that was a big part of your motivation to choose it.

I can turn this into a discussion for you too! The Soviet Union's government decided to make nuclear weapons. They followed the US lead and they expressed their reason as being as defensive weapons against aggression.

Were they intending an offense or a defense? Opinions differ widely on that question.

We have succeeded in staying short of a world war for 75 years and I continue to insist that's because of MAD.

Can one really say that the Soviet Union's pursuing nuclear weapons was a bad act on behalf of their government?

Can we say that about North Korea's attaining it's nuclear deterrent to outside aggression?

Can we say it about Israel? If indeed Israel has nuclear weapons?


I do believe that without nuclear weapons, the U.S. and he Soviets would have engaged in a war even more destructive than WWII.  I also believe that the U.S. has no business trying to stop North Korea from acquiring them.

Our likely disagreement on North Korea that I also don't believe Clinton needed to give North Korea nuclear technology and I believe that Trump is doing the right thing to keep the Li'l Kim from going off the rails.  I don't believe that South Korea would ever want to reunite with North Korea.  Rather they would be willing to absorb the DPROK into the ROK as West Germany absorbed the DDR into the BRD.




  

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Re: Who but Government Would Come up with Nuclear Bombs?
Reply #7 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 3:10pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 2:39pm:
I don't believe that South Korea would ever want to reunite with North Korea.  Rather they would be willing to absorb the DPROK into the ROK as West Germany absorbed the DDR into the BRD.






How is that not reuniting?  FYI, I was married to a Korean for 27 years.  Certainly South Korea would absorb North Korea.  They would spend trillions rebuilding it.

How else would it work?
  

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Re: Who but Government Would Come up with Nuclear Bombs?
Reply #8 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 3:16pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 3:10pm:
How is that not reuniting?  FYI, I was married to a Korean for 27 years.  Certainly South Korea would absorb North Korea.  They would spend trillions rebuilding it.

How else would it work?


I was responding to Don's idea that North and South Korea would reunite under China's sphere of influence.  That would never be acceptable to the South Koreans.

Yes, technically that would be reunification with the entire peninsula being called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, but that isn't what South Korea has in mind. 



  

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Re: Who but Government Would Come up with Nuclear Bombs?
Reply #9 - Feb 12th, 2018 at 3:17pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Feb 12th, 2018 at 3:16pm:
I was responding to Don's idea that North and South Korea would reunite under China's sphere of influence.  That would never be acceptable to the South Koreans.

Yes, technically that would be reunification with the entire peninsula being called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, but that isn't what South Korea has in mind. 





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