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Re: Why is persuasion a better alternative to coercion?
Reply #20 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:12pm
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SkyChief wrote on Feb 13th, 2018 at 2:51pm:
Persuasion is stronger than coercion because the person being persuaded has the satisfaction of thinking that it is his/her own free-will that prevails.  Therefore, the person is more likely to hold the idea longer. 

When a person is coerced, there is usually resentment and anger - the person will usually fight or resist the ideas of the coercer.

Example:  Religion. 

When a person is persuaded into religion, chances are the person will stay true to that religion.

When a person is coerced into religion (I was as a child), he/she will reject the ideas of that religion. (I certainly do!)


I agree with what you're saying, but again, that's why context is important.

If someone is robbing people, you use coercion, not persuasion, to stop them. If someone is at your house berating your wife, you don't try to persuade them to stop, you throw them out on their ear
  

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Re: Why is persuasion a better alternative to coercion?
Reply #21 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 5:23pm
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 3:39pm:
Of course they would, because they don't think their philosophy is better. I, on the other hand, actually believe it is.


You think it's horrible to "force" people to be free? What else is new?
  
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Re: Why is persuasion a better alternative to coercion?
Reply #22 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 5:28pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 3:53pm:
Persuasion is only used when people have a choice and you want them to choose a over b. 
That is often better for children, but the rest of us like to have the limitless options that come with our Right of General Liberty.

A four year old with lots of options on what clothes to put on in the morning can be a serious time waster and gigantic pain in the ass if you'll let them do it.  Why bother?
  
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Re: Why is persuasion a better alternative to coercion?
Reply #23 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 5:30pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 3:58pm:
But, unfortunately, many of them don't believe that themselves. 


People who believe in coercion of others haven't internalized the idea of individual rights, and thus cannot be libertarians because they are not liberal minded.

Authoritarians coerce people and think it is their "right" to force others to their will.
  
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Re: Why is persuasion a better alternative to coercion?
Reply #24 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 5:33pm
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:05pm:
The issue is, they construct right and wrong in such a way that it brings them the greatest personal advantage.

People who have internalized the concept of individual Rights and individual Liberty will not be capable of reconstructing reality to advantage themselves.

In plain language that is called fraud, which libertarians consider an actionable tort.
  
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Re: Why is persuasion a better alternative to coercion?
Reply #25 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 5:41pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 4:12pm:
If someone is robbing people, you use coercion, not persuasion, to stop them. If someone is at your house berating your wife, you don't try to persuade them to stop, you throw them out on their ear
If you find out your 10 year old is shoplifting, how will you coerce her to stop?

If someone is berating your wife, tell them to stop and leave before you resort to force. It's the civilized thing to do.
  
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Re: Why is persuasion a better alternative to coercion?
Reply #26 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:30pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 5:30pm:
People who believe in coercion of others haven't internalized the idea of individual rights, and thus cannot be libertarians because they are not liberal minded.

Authoritarians coerce people and think it is their "right" to force others to their will.


Some who would never personally coerce another person return to the polls to consistently vote for people who will use force to coerce other people.

Some of those still consider themselves libertarians.

  

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Re: Why is persuasion a better alternative to coercion?
Reply #27 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:40pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:30pm:
Some who would never personally coerce another person return to the polls to consistently vote for people who will use force to coerce other people.

Some of those still consider themselves libertarians.

So?

Lot's of libertarians voted against Hillary...

Did you just figure that out? That Johnson couldn't win? That it was rigged against him?
  
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Re: Why is persuasion a better alternative to coercion?
Reply #28 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:55pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:40pm:
So?

Lot's of libertarians voted against Hillary...

Did you just figure that out? That Johnson couldn't win? That it was rigged against him?


I never heard Gary Johnson oppose government taking money by force.  He only nitpicked about how it is spent. 
  

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Re: Why is persuasion a better alternative to coercion?
Reply #29 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 7:02pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 6:55pm:
I never heard Gary Johnson oppose government taking money by force.  He only nitpicked about how it is spent. 
You never looked into his record as Governor of New Mexico?

Part of the idea of reducing wasteful and unnecessary government is to reduce the need for taxation. Johnson wanted to do that on a much larger scale than the legislature would agree to. He wasn't picking nits.
  
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