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How is murder handled in a voluntary society?
Feb 24th, 2018 at 12:52pm
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How do voluntaryists stop serial rapists and serial killers?
  
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Re: How is murder handled in a voluntary society?
Reply #1 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 1:02pm
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DontTread44 wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
How do voluntaryists stop serial rapists and serial killers?


Examine the records of countries where rape statistics and serial killings are kept low. Be careful of whether or not the population of such countries are inherently violent.

Why would you ask. Pseudo-libertarians have no interest in changing the horrendous situation in the US. Their imaginary rights are much more important.

As usual, upholding those imaginary rights is more important than preventing rape and serial killers..

Specifically, we can begin the positive part of the discussion by learning how Norway's prison system works!
  
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Re: How is murder handled in a voluntary society?
Reply #2 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 1:04pm
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DontTread44 wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
How do voluntaryists stop serial rapists and serial killers?
They hire a Sheriff and build a jail and a gallows. Then they get somebody to act as a judge and get up a jury from the community.

That's if they are civilized and have the resources. Otherwise they usually just hung or shot the perpetrators.
  
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Re: How is murder handled in a voluntary society?
Reply #3 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 1:08pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 1:04pm:
They hire a Sheriff and build a jail and a gallows. Then they get somebody to act as a judge and get up a jury from the community.

That's if they are civilized and have the resources. Otherwise they usually just hung or shot the perpetrators.


That's totally contrary to Norway's system which actually works. What you propose doesn't work and never did.

But yes, it's the pseudo-libertarian's answer because their imagined rights matter more to them than the rights of others.
  
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Re: How is murder handled in a voluntary society?
Reply #4 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 1:11pm
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The reason I ask is because voluntaryists seek a society where wrongdoings are met with persuasion versus compulsion. All voluntaryists see government as force, and some would say this delegitimizes the government to a point where it should not exist at all. However, volunataryists do center around the non-aggression principle and believe in the natural right of self-defense.

So, what would they do regarding individuals that cannot be persuaded into changing and are determined to harm society?
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 1:14pm
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DontTread44 wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 1:11pm:
The reason I ask is because voluntaryists seek a society where wrongdoings are met with persuasion versus compulsion. All voluntaryists see government as force, and some would say this delegitimizes the government to a point where it should not exist at all. However, volunataryists do center around the non-aggression principle and believe in the natural right of self-defense.

So, what would they do regarding individuals that cannot be persuaded into changing and are determined to harm society?
Probably hang them, unless this "voluntarism" stuff is suicidal. To the extent that it sounds just like anarchy, lots of people will probably kill each other for very little reason.
  
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Re: How is murder handled in a voluntary society?
Reply #6 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 1:21pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
Probably hang them, unless this "voluntarism" stuff is suicidal. To the extent that it sounds just like anarchy, lots of people will probably kill each other for very little reason.


Now you're getting it Jeff. It's a joke and that's the way it should be handled. I think it's what the pig calls trolling.
  
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Re: How is murder handled in a voluntary society?
Reply #7 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 10:14pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 1:02pm:
Examine the records of countries where rape statistics and serial killings are kept low. Be careful of whether or not the population of such countries are inherently violent.




What kinds of people are inherently violent?

  

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Re: How is murder handled in a voluntary society?
Reply #8 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 10:45pm
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DontTread44 wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
How do voluntaryists stop serial rapists and serial killers?


Criminals can still be punished if they commit aggression. In theory the victim is protected by a private court he pays for, which then extracts fair reparation from the aggressor.

DontTread44 wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 1:11pm:
The reason I ask is because voluntaryists seek a society where wrongdoings are met with persuasion versus compulsion. All voluntaryists see government as force, and some would say this delegitimizes the government to a point where it should not exist at all. However, volunataryists do center around the non-aggression principle and believe in the natural right of self-defense.

So, what would they do regarding individuals that cannot be persuaded into changing and are determined to harm society?


Yes, by force. When someone commits aggression, this is allowed. You hit the nail on the head when you said it's about the Non-Aggression Principle. If the criminal aggresses, you may defend with force.

If the victim is dead, and that left his family with a burden, the family could also bring suit against the murderer.
  

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Re: How is murder handled in a voluntary society?
Reply #9 - Feb 25th, 2018 at 1:53am
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Jeff wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 1:04pm:
They hire a Sheriff and build a jail and a gallows. Then they get somebody to act as a judge and get up a jury from the community.

That's if they are civilized and have the resources. Otherwise they usually just hung or shot the perpetrators.


So they formed a government? Smiley
  
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