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Re: Should South Africa Take Back Their Land?
Reply #10 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 6:09pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 4:20pm:
But in my case, it's probably a misinterpretation of the others on my part as to what constitutes government theft.
I don't know which others are on your part, but I can help you with the concept of theft  if you are actually struggling to understand it. Just ask.
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 6:23pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 12:46pm:
https://www.rt.com/business/420021-africa-white-owned-land/

A good issue for libertarians because there are two distinct ways of looking at this. Remembering that the land was taken from the people due to apartheid. This is also a direct parallel issue to the Israelis apartheid land grab. In my opinion and I'm sure in the opinions of others too.

What do libertarians think?


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Re: Should South Africa Take Back Their Land?
Reply #12 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 7:17pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 6:23pm:
It's hilarious how someone who calls Trump Putin's bitch would quote Putin's propaganda arm.  Who's Putin's bitch, troll?
Zimbabwe finally got rid of Mugabe.

Zimbabwe's new Great Leader has promised "democracy" while warning that the ruling Party will remain firmly in control.

Nobody but cronies will own land in the "New" Zimbabwe.
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 7:59pm
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 3:16pm:
I don't see what's wrong with confiscating white-owned land.

The article explains it's not even theirs. It was taken under apartheid and the government is dragging its feet in restoring it to its rightful owners.


Actually the article said the land goes back hundreds of years
  

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Re: Should South Africa Take Back Their Land?
Reply #14 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 8:08pm
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Jeff wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 6:02pm:
Theft by UN decree?

Most people (other than Nazis in hiding) saw it as Justice and an opportunity.


The Soviets were no slouches at murdering Jews either.  I'd bet on more than six thousand of the intellectuals, capitalists and rival socialists that Stalin murdered being Jews. 

So, yes.  I can see the practical value of giving Arab land to Jews to form Israel as a homeland for them.  As I said, might as well give them "Jordan" also.

But that is after one accepts that stealing is OK as long as government, or a quasi-government entity like the UN, is doing the stealing.  I guess I'm dense, but I haven't accepted that.  Many who call themselves libertarians on here have.

Once you accept that it is OK to steal so long as its for good works, then the question of whether you use it for roads or midnight basketball is just a matter of prioritizing what to do with the loot.

  

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Re: Should South Africa Take Back Their Land?
Reply #15 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 9:48pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 6:23pm:
It's hilarious how someone who calls Trump Putin's bitch would quote Putin's propaganda arm.  Who's Putin's bitch, troll?


You actually believe I think Trump is Putin's bitch? Maybe because you have failed to read and understsnd Russia's position.

You've actually totally reverse your loyalties with condemning Russia and you don't understand why pig.

Fwiw, and in hopes you can understand, I've never believed that Trump was taking the wrong position vis a vis Putin and Russia.

Really dumb pig. Ask some of the others to explain it to you. I'm not going to spend the time t o educate you up to speed.

What I will say, in the hope you can absorb it and understand the difference, is that Trump is guilty as hell of collusion with Russia. Also money laundering.

That's it for now pig. There's just too much to say to bring you up to speed at one sitting.
  
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Re: Should South Africa Take Back Their Land?
Reply #16 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 9:53pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 9:48pm:
You actually believe I think Trump is Putin's bitch? Maybe because you have failed to read and understsnd Russia's position.

You've actually totally reverse your loyalties with condemning Russia and you don't understand why pig.

Fwiw, and in hopes you can understand, I've never believed that Trump was taking the wrong position vis a vis Putin and Russia.

Really dumb pig. Ask some of the others to explain it to you. I'm not going to spend the time t o educate you up to speed.

What I will say, in the hope you can absorb it and understand the difference, is that Trump is guilty as hell of collusion with Russia. Also money laundering.

That's it for now pig. There's just too much to say to bring you up to speed at one sitting.


You think this double talk explains while you're simultaneously for and against Russia?

Actually what explains your position is that you're for Russia when it serves Democrats and against Russia when it serves Democrats
  

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Re: Should South Africa Take Back Their Land?
Reply #17 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 10:22pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 7:59pm:
Actually the article said the land goes back hundreds of years


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“It is shocking that at the current rate it will take 35 years to finalize (land) restitution claims lodged before 1998,” said Mbabama, who is deputy shadow minister for rural development and land reform.

It’s been more than two decades since the end of apartheid in the 1990s, and the ruling ANC party is still trying to tackle racial disparities in land ownership in South Africa.


Seems to me that if they want to restore it all now, rather than dealing with a long and complicated 35-year process, they have every right to.
  

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Re: Should South Africa Take Back Their Land?
Reply #18 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 11:01pm
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 10:22pm:
Seems to me that if they want to restore it all now, rather than dealing with a long and complicated 35-year process, they have every right to.


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Last week, South Africa’s new president, Cyril Ramaphosa, pledged to return the lands owned by white farmers since the 1600s to the black citizens of the country
  

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Re: Should South Africa Take Back Their Land?
Reply #19 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 11:03pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
You think this double talk explains while you're simultaneously for and against Russia?

Actually what explains your position is that you're for Russia when it serves Democrats and against Russia when it serves Democrats


I have always been for Russia pig. Completely and totally side with them over the US and always will.

I'm quite amazed that you could have been so inattentive and in your own little world all this time.

You can't understand because you aren't able to understand how people can be 'for' Russia and against Trump!

Trump is totally and completely guilty of collusion with Russia/Putin and is also guilty of money laundering and the rest of the charges that will be brought against him by Mueller.

But, but, but, but the pig says. How could both claims be true??

Ask any of the others, they're obviously smarter and more attentive to reality than you.
  
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