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Re: Should South Africa Take Back Their Land?
Reply #20 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 11:04pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 11:03pm:
I have always been for Russia pig. Completely and totally side with them over the US and always will.

I'm quite amazed that you could have been so inattentive and in your own little world all this time.

You can't understand because you aren't able to understand how people can be 'for' Russia and against Trump!

Trump is totally and completely guilty of collusion with Russia/Putin and is also guilty of money laundering and the rest of the charges that will be brought against him by Mueller.

But, but, but, but the pig says. How could both claims be true??

Ask any of the others, they're obviously smarter and more attentive to reality than you.


So if your babble is true, then you'd be pro-Trump since he's the pro-Putin candidate.  Think about it.  But don't hurt yourself, you're not used to it.  Do lots of stretching first so you don't hurt yourself
  

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Re: Should South Africa Take Back Their Land?
Reply #21 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 11:11pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 11:04pm:
So if your babble is true, then you'd be pro-Trump since he's the pro-Putin candidate.  Think about it.  But don't hurt yourself, you're not used to it.  Do lots of stretching first so you don't hurt yourself


No pig, I hate Trump and hope you people drive a stake through his evil heart.

Oh, what's the use with you. Understanding anythinig more complex than X's and O's is above your pay grade.

Go fetch a troll now.
  
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Re: Should South Africa Take Back Their Land?
Reply #22 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 11:36pm
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kaz wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 11:01pm:
Last week, South Africa’s new president, Cyril Ramaphosa, pledged to return the lands owned by white farmers since the 1600s to the black citizens of the country


And the later quote from the article seems to indicate the claims are in the works anyway.

But if the land is stolen, does it matter when?
  

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Re: Should South Africa Take Back Their Land?
Reply #23 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 7:41am
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SnarkySack wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 8:08pm:
The Soviets were no slouches at murdering Jews either.  I'd bet on more than six thousand of the intellectuals, capitalists and rival socialists that Stalin murdered being Jews. 

So, yes.  I can see the practical value of giving Arab land to Jews to form Israel as a homeland for them.  As I said, might as well give them "Jordan" also.

But that is after one accepts that stealing is OK as long as government, or a quasi-government entity like the UN, is doing the stealing.  I guess I'm dense, but I haven't accepted that.  Many who call themselves libertarians on here have.

Once you accept that it is OK to steal so long as its for good works, then the question of whether you use it for roads or midnight basketball is just a matter of prioritizing what to do with the loot.

In the aftermath of war, the victors have almost always claimed territory. If you plan to de-legitimize all of those sorts of takings throughout human history, no one currently alive actually has a good claim to any of the land they occupy.

I'm currently much more concerned about ending wars than about whether the current government of China has a legitimate claim to what is now called China or whether it should be returned to the Nationalist government on Taiwan or to somebody else in the historical past.
  
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Re: Should South Africa Take Back Their Land?
Reply #24 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 7:46am
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 11:36pm:
And the later quote from the article seems to indicate the claims are in the works anyway.

But if the land is stolen, does it matter when?
Which South African Tribe owned it first?

If it's given back to them, with all the currently existing improvements, should they have to pay for the improvements to the land they supposedly owned?

If the first people to come out of Africa laid claim to the Middle East and Europe and later Asia, shouldn't all of the Middle East and Europe and Asia be given back to Africans?
  
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Re: Should South Africa Take Back Their Land?
Reply #25 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 9:42am
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 11:11pm:
No pig, I hate Trump and hope you people drive a stake through his evil heart.

Oh, what's the use with you. Understanding anythinig more complex than X's and O's is above your pay grade.

Go fetch a troll now.


So you agree you're a hypocrite.  This is exactly what I said, troll.  It's funny how you try to make agreeing you have a double standard sound like you're refuting what I said.

You love Putin.  You claim Trump loves Putin.  And you hate Trump because you want Democrats to win who you claim aren't in love with Putin.

I did forward your request to the judges for a troll video.  They said you're a troll, but you weren't being a troll here, you were being a Democrat.  So they denied your request.  Sorry guy
  

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Re: Should South Africa Take Back Their Land?
Reply #26 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 9:45am
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The Opposition wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 11:36pm:
And the later quote from the article seems to indicate the claims are in the works anyway.

But if the land is stolen, does it matter when?


You moved the goal posts.

The Opposition wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 3:16pm:
I don't see what's wrong with confiscating white-owned land.

The article explains it's not even theirs. It was taken under apartheid and the government is dragging its feet in restoring it to its rightful owners.


You claimed it was taken from black people under apartheid by the white people.  Now you moved the goal posts to be when it's being taken by the blacks.

If the land had been taken by the whites under apartheid, it would be a slam dunk to take it back without compensation.  But it wasn't.  I'm not arguing that there shouldn't be a discussion.  But no compensation is hard to swallow for land owned by families for more than 300 years.

Either way, you switched your point from when the whites originally owned it to when the blacks are taking it without compensation
  

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Re: Should South Africa Take Back Their Land?
Reply #27 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 11:12am
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Jeff wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 7:46am:
Which South African Tribe owned it first?

If it's given back to them, with all the currently existing improvements, should they have to pay for the improvements to the land they supposedly owned?




If a "low rider" stole your car, installed those shocks that let it bounce up and down, tinted the windows to make them almost opaque, put on a little chain steering wheel, installed spinner rims, painted it metal flake purple and many other improvements, when the police found your car and returned it to you, how much money would you owe the low rider?
  

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Re: Should South Africa Take Back Their Land?
Reply #28 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 11:20am
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SnarkySack wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 11:12am:
If a "low rider" stole your car, installed those shocks that let it bounce up and down, tinted the windows to make them almost opaque, put on a little chain steering wheel, installed spinner rims, painted it metal flake purple and many other improvements, when the police found your car and returned it to you, how much money would you owe the low rider?


Well, since we're talking land going back over 300 years, that's a horrible analogy
  

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Re: Should South Africa Take Back Their Land?
Reply #29 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 11:29am
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kaz wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 11:20am:
Well, since we're talking land going back over 300 years, that's a horrible analogy


The passage of time alters ownership?  How long would the low rider have to keep  Jeff's stolen car for Jeff to no longer own it?


  

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