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What is the difference between voluntaryism and agorism?
Feb 28th, 2018 at 11:52pm
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They seem to be the same thing.
  
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Re: What is the difference between voluntaryism and agorism?
Reply #1 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 9:50am
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DontTread44 wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 11:52pm:
They seem to be the same thing.


Only if you take voluntarism to the extreme and apply it to all society.  Churches for example are maintained on voluntary contributions within an involuntary tax system.  You would call that voluntarism, you would not call it agorism
  

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Reply #2 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 11:33am
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My understanding is that voluntaryism is a philosophy, while agorism is an economic/market strategy based on voluntaryism.

I sometimes do business transactions using silver in lieu of money.  My barber, my mechanic and my tobacconist all take silver as payment for their services and goods.  The government hates this because they cannot collect taxes on these types of [barter] transactions.

This is practical application of agorism. 
  
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SkyChief wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 11:33am:
My understanding is that voluntaryism is a philosophy, while agorism is an economic/market strategy based on voluntaryism.

I sometimes do business transactions using silver in lieu of money.  My barber, my mechanic and my tobacconist all take silver as payment for their services and goods.  The government hates this because they cannot collect taxes on these types of [barter] transactions.

This is practical application of agorism. 


How is there a difference in paying the barber with a ten dollar bill or a piece of silver worth ten dollars? Both are cheating the government in the same way. And one is no easier to trace than the other. In fact, the silver would likely be more tracable.

And it doesn't change the price of the haircut or the degree of cheating.

Did you make up a story before thinking it through again?
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 12:57pm
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How is there a difference in paying the barber with a ten dollar bill or a piece of silver worth ten dollars? Both are cheating the government in the same way. And one is no easier to trace than the other. In fact, the silver would likely be more tracable.

And it doesn't change the price of the haircut or the degree of cheating.

Did you make up a story before thinking it through again?


Bravo!  Your money is the government's!  When you don't give it to them, you are "cheating" them of their money!!!!

The judges are happy now.  You've ended this nonsense where you make sense.

A troll video, for you, sir!

  

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Reply #5 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 1:13pm
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How is there a difference in paying the barber with a ten dollar bill or a piece of silver worth ten dollars?
A ten-dollar bill is essentially worthless. Its just a piece of paper.

The silver has intrinsic value - it's considered to be an asset by most people who are knowledgeable about money and finance.

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In fact, the silver would likely be more tracable.
You earned the laughing-man reward!  I'm too lazy right now to post it.  I'll credit your account, ok?   Smiley

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And it doesn't change the price of the haircut or the degree of cheating.

Actually, it does.  Haircut is $18 at my barber.  But he'll accept a 1-ounce silver coin instead (worth $16)

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Did you make up a story before thinking it through again?
Thanks for accusing me of lying again.  It makes the mundane things that I do much so more rewarding!    Smiley
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 1:21pm
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SkyChief wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 1:13pm:
A ten-dollar bill is essentially worthless. Its just a piece of paper.

The silver has intrinsic value - it's considered to be an asset by most people knowledgeable about money and finance.


No Chief, that's not true at all. But it's just a dodge from answering my question. You simply made it up and you don't pay in silver.

I fully understand the issue but it's pretty plain you don't. People don't barter in silver but some do hold silver and gold because they are paranoid about the collapse of the dollar. I would say they have about a 50/50 chance of being right over the long term. But the long term can't be established.



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You earned the laughing-man reward.  I'm too lazy right now to post it.  I'll credit your account, ok?   Smiley


You can fool some of the people Chief, as Bush2 would say.


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Thanks for accusing me of lying again.  It makes the mundane things I do much so more rewarding!   Smiley


It's a relatively harmless lie. It only harms your credibility!
  
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Re: What is the difference between voluntaryism and agorism?
Reply #7 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 1:41pm
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People don't barter in silver but some do hold silver and gold because they are paranoid about the collapse of the dollar.

We do things a little different in the US, Don_G.  It's just something you'll need to come to grips with.   

BTW, I have a many tubes of 2013 and 2014 Canadian Maple Leafs.  They're very nice.   


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It's a relatively harmless lie. It only harms your credibility!

You find the most mundane things incredible.  Don't they ever allow you to leave the house?  Embarrassed
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 2:23pm
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SkyChief wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 1:41pm:
We do things a little different in the US, Don_G.  It's just something you'll need to come to grips with.   

BTW, I have a many tubes of 2013 and 2014 Canadian Maple Leafs.  They're very nice.   
https://www.ps-coins.com/media/images/info/MaplePrivyMoose.jpg


You likely don't, but it would all depend on when you bought them if you actually did. You could be a big winner or a big loser. To my point!

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You find the most mundane things incredible.  Don't they ever allow you to leave the house?  Embarrassed


You didn't pay your barber in silver Chief. Don't compound the lie, it just gets you deeper into the dogshit.

On another issue concerning silver that you may be aware of.

When we put new starters in a sawmill I worked at, we replaced quite a few size 3, 4, and 5's. They started throwing them in the steel bin because separating out the copper wan't really worth it at the time. But for some reason nobody thought of what else could be separated out. And the company that came to take the scrap steel didn't either.

But years before, when I went to trade school, one of the guys came in with a full jam jar, and I remembered that and where he got it. So I took out the starters one by one from the steel bin on the night shift and separated out the good stuff. Just as I was doing that, the price went up to somewhere around $50 an ounce. So I collected it over a period of a couple of years and as I collected and filled jam jars, the price went down, down, down.

I made a pretty nice profit out of it and nobody at the mill was any the wiser. But what I made was abour a tenth of what I could have made. Dohhhhhhh!

You should know what this is all about. Unfortunately the contacts on the big ones aren't anymore. But think of it! Each of those mothers was about an ounce on the number 5's and each starter had 12 of em!
  
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Re: What is the difference between voluntaryism and agorism?
Reply #9 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 2:36pm
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When we put new starters in a sawmill I worked at, we replaced quite a few size 3, 4, and 5's. They started throwing them in the steel bin because separating out the copper wan't really worth it at the time. But for some reason nobody thought of what else could be separated out. And the company that came to take the scrap steel didn't either.
I don't believe a word of this.  It sounds so incredible to me.

Why do make this stuff up, Don_G?  Lol!!

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edit: kaz, please submit this post to the judges for a troll video reward.  It's really lame, I know, But so are most of Don-G's troll posts, and he gets the reward multiple times per day.
  
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