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Re: Age Limits For Gun Ownership Violates 2A
Reply #20 - Mar 3rd, 2018 at 5:15pm
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AlayneLeung wrote on Mar 3rd, 2018 at 4:43pm:
Also, if there is an evil effort to get guns away from children so that they'll be eaten to death by alligators...
The lizard might take offense to talk like that... I'm not sure, it is making progress in understanding theories of Natural Rights.

Edit: "Eaten to death" is not a good choice of words. It will make some people chuckle and think- "As opposed to being eaten to life by alligators." Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
  
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Reply #21 - Mar 4th, 2018 at 2:06pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 3rd, 2018 at 5:15pm:
The lizard might take offense to talk like that... I'm not sure, it is making progress in understanding theories of Natural Rights.

Edit: "Eaten to death" is not a good choice of words. It will make some people chuckle and think- "As opposed to being eaten to life by alligators." Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Your playmates might be amused.

The 2A states no limitations on age. Therefore there aren't any and any challenge to a 12 year old packing heat on Main street America can't be legally challenged by the police. Right?

Concealed carry laws are in violation of the 2A. All Americans have the right to pack a machine gun, concealed on not!

Pretty simple shit really, in libertarian land!
  
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Reply #22 - Mar 4th, 2018 at 2:14pm
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Jeff, I wasn't referring to Amendment II, but instead I was referring to Amendment I theoretically applies as I explained in another topic.

Don_G, Amendment II says "the people" and the Constitution explains that "the people" are persons allowed to vote to elect such as for Representatives and after Amendment XVII was ratified for "the people" directly electing Senators, and for allowing "the people" to vote for Electors that elect President and Vice President during each respective Presidential and Vice Presidential Election.  That phrase "the people" doesn't mean that persons under 18 years of age may "keep and bear Arms", but you'll notice that that letter "A" in "Arms" is a capital letter.  So Supreme Court Justices must explain what is meant by "Arms" and by "arms"?
  
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Reply #23 - Mar 4th, 2018 at 5:14pm
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AlayneLeung wrote on Mar 4th, 2018 at 2:14pm:
Jeff, I wasn't referring to Amendment II, but instead I was referring to Amendment I...
Why drag that in to a supposedly 2nd Amendment discussion?
  
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Reply #24 - Mar 4th, 2018 at 5:18pm
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AlayneLeung wrote on Mar 4th, 2018 at 2:14pm:
Don_G, Amendment II says "the people" and the Constitution explains that "the people" are persons allowed to vote...
I don't think so.

Who would get to vote was up to the states and still is, with limits.

No state, not even Kalifornia, would be permitted to ban Christians from voting.

Edit: I think it would be a swell experiment for that laboratory of democracy stuff to have Kalifornia let everybody in Kalifornia vote, requiring only that you be able to hold a crayon and make some sort of mark on something. Experts would then decide whether the infant voted for pure communism or just run of the mill socialism.

Those are the choices offered in Kalifornia.
  
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Reply #25 - Mar 4th, 2018 at 5:52pm
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You're being an asshole and I've warned you about that.

What's the reply you are demanding?

"Yes Daddy please"?
  
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Reply #26 - Mar 4th, 2018 at 6:11pm
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You're being an asshole and I've warned you about that.



Clean up your act asshole and maybe I'll pay attention to you later.
Yes Daddy.
  
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Reply #27 - Mar 4th, 2018 at 6:20pm
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AlayneLeung wrote on Mar 4th, 2018 at 2:14pm:
So Supreme Court Justices must explain what is meant by "Arms" and by "arms"?
Do you think they can handle it?

If they are "progressive" justices, I can see where they will almost certainly try to confuse things.
  
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Reply #28 - Mar 4th, 2018 at 8:05pm
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Your playmates might be amused.

The 2A states no limitations on age. Therefore there aren't any and any challenge to a 12 year old packing heat on Main street America can't be legally challenged by the police. Right?

Concealed carry laws are in violation of the 2A. All Americans have the right to pack a machine gun, concealed on not!

Pretty simple shit really, in libertarian land!


All this discussion of the U.S. Constitution as the guide to what is and what isn't libertarianism is counterproductive.  The Constitution was doomed to failure as a document intended to protect individual liberty.  It began to fail in that goal almost immediatly and has been more of a failure over the last two centuries.

As a document intended to give the federal government more power over states and over individuals, it has been a smashing success.
   
  

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Re: Age Limits For Gun Ownership Violates 2A
Reply #29 - Mar 4th, 2018 at 10:25pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Mar 4th, 2018 at 8:05pm:
All this discussion of the U.S. Constitution as the guide to what is and what isn't libertarianism is counterproductive.  The Constitution was doomed to failure as a document intended to protect individual liberty. 
   

Regrettably, I'm compelled to agree with you. It was doomed from the get-go.  But only for the lack of righteous people to defend it.  Especially those assholes who raised their hand to swear an oath to defend it, against all enemies, foreign and domestic,  and then proceeded to dismantle it!   Angry

Want a list?   

(former) King Obama tops that list. What an awful president! There are others. 

edit: Many people claim that Jimmy Carter was the worst president ever.  Whatever.  He kept his oath.  He is welcome in my home anytime.  King Obama and Hillary-the-Defiler  -  NO TRESPASSING. Ever.
  
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