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Does 2A really guarantee the right to bear bombs, nukes, etc?
Mar 4th, 2018 at 8:17pm
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Since these are all considered arms?
  
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Re: Does 2A really guarantee the right to bear bombs, nukes, etc?
Reply #1 - Mar 4th, 2018 at 8:23pm
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DontTread44 wrote on Mar 4th, 2018 at 8:17pm:
Since these are all considered arms?


As part of a well-regulated militia, sure.  If federal regulations allow militias to have nukes, they only need to find the funds and a seller.

That's another way we know, aside from the plain language, that the 2A has nothing to do with an individual right to bear arms.

  

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Reply #2 - Mar 4th, 2018 at 10:43pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Mar 4th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
As part of a well-regulated militia, sure.  If federal regulations allow militias to have nukes, they only need to find the funds and a seller.

That's another way we know, aside from the plain language, that the 2A has nothing to do with an individual right to bear arms.



Your history is quite flawed.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 4th, 2018 at 11:07pm
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"Does 2A really guarantee the right to bear bombs, nukes, etc? "

Only when these "rights" are pursued to their absurdity. 

Check in with with Don_G.  -  he's our "go - to" authority when it comes to absurdity!   Smiley  Cheesy

"reductio ad absurdum" fails every time. 

Don_G. learned this the hard way.

  
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Reply #4 - Mar 4th, 2018 at 11:47pm
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SkyChief wrote on Mar 4th, 2018 at 11:07pm:
"reductio ad absurdum" fails every time.


When I try to do this, people cut my head off.

I go through with "if this was true, then..." and people take the untrue conclusion I get out of their assumption, and make fun of me because I supposedly believe that.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #5 - Mar 5th, 2018 at 12:44am
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 4th, 2018 at 11:47pm:
When I try to do this, people cut my head off.

I go through with "if this was true, then..." and people take the untrue conclusion I get out of their assumption, and make fun of me because I supposedly believe that.


It's tough for libertarians and lizards - we just gotta stand strong. We might differ somewhat politically, but we both know who the real threat to freedom really is.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 5th, 2018 at 7:05am
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DontTread44 wrote on Mar 4th, 2018 at 8:17pm:
Since these are all considered arms?
Since all you do is ask questions, why should anyone answer?

What do you think, and why?

At least pretend to try to answer questions for yourself.

In the context of an organized State Militia, certainly. And while the individual Right to bear arms exists, no one but terrorists is going to want to "bear" bombs and nukes outside of the context of an organized militia regulated by their state.

As usual, the focus on individual Rights is the wrong angle.

Focus on the laws that currently prohibit known convicted violent felons from bearing arms of any sort, and try to keep terrorists out of the country.
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 5th, 2018 at 7:07am
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Snarky Sack wrote on Mar 4th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
If federal regulations allow militias to have nukes, they only need to find the funds and a seller.
The federal government doesn't have any power to regulate State Militias, the States do. It's clear in the Constitution and the reasons are made clear in the Federalist Papers.
  
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Re: Does 2A really guarantee the right to bear bombs, nukes, etc?
Reply #8 - Mar 5th, 2018 at 9:20am
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Jeff wrote on Mar 5th, 2018 at 7:07am:
The federal government doesn't have any power to regulate State Militias, the States do. It's clear in the Constitution and the reasons are made clear in the Federalist Papers.




   Congress shall have the power ... to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress
    — US Constitution, article 1, section 8, clause 15




    The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
    — US Constitution, article II, section 2, clause 1



  

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Reply #9 - Mar 5th, 2018 at 12:30pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 5th, 2018 at 7:05am:
Since all you do is ask questions, why should anyone answer?

What do you think, and why?

At least pretend to try to answer questions for yourself.

In the context of an organized State Militia, certainly. And while the individual Right to bear arms exists, no one but terrorists is going to want to "bear" bombs and nukes outside of the context of an organized militia regulated by their state.

As usual, the focus on individual Rights is the wrong angle.

Focus on the laws that currently prohibit known convicted violent felons from bearing arms of any sort, and try to keep terrorists out of the country.


His name is his political statement. It's also his personal statement he wants to get across.  If he starts talking he'll come across as very anti-establishment. Maybe even extremist enough to promote violence. Maybe that's why he's quiet?
  
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