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Wolves Guarding the Sheep Pen?
Mar 5th, 2018 at 3:44am
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I went to Wikipedia to find out who it is that grants security clearances to people like Jared Kushner and others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance

As one would expect, the article didn't name the people who issue security clearances, but I did learn this when I scrolled down to "Authority."

Authority
The authority for classifying information and granting security clearances to access that information is found in executive orders (EOs) and US Federal law. USA's National Security Information (NSI) has been classified under EO 13526, but since January 10, 2017 the rules were modified by James Clapper as Security Executive Agent Directive 4 in the closing days of the Obama administration.[15] Information may be classified under this Order if a classification authority determines its unauthorized release could cause damage to the national defense or foreign relations of the United States. Information concerning nuclear weapons and fissile material may be classified under the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 (AEA). These clearances are only granted by the Department of Energy. The clearance process for access to NSI or AEA information is substantially aligned. Under EO 12968, the investigative and adjudicative guidelines for NSI and AEA clearances are identical. This enables reciprocity between NSI and AEA clearances, although some exceptions exist.
USA's Executive Order 12968's standards are binding on all of the USA's government agencies that handle classified information, but it allows certain agency heads to establish Special Access Programs (SAPs) with additional, but not duplicative, investigative and adjudicative requirements. The Intelligence Community's Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) control systems are a family of SAPs, and SCI eligibility must be granted prior to accessing any particular control system or compartment (which may require additional investigation or adjudication). SCI eligibility policy is described in Intelligence Community Directive 704 and its implementing policy guidance [It should be noted that within the Intelligence Community, the access to SCI information is far more common than "Collateral Top Secret information," and therefore operatives will routinely include SCI in a TS product, just to ensure they do not have to meet the "cradle-to-grave" accountability requirements of Collateral TS information.] Any additional clearance measures used by SAPs must be approved by the Office of Management and Budget, which has generally limited such measures to polygraphs, exclusion of persons with non-US immediate family members, requiring more frequent reinvestigations, and requiring annual updates to security questionnaires."

Note the name James Clapper, who as Director of National Intelligence in charge of all 17 secret police agencies, had testified before Congress that the NSA did not collect intelligence on a single US citizen, and then note what Edward Snowden said in this Wikipedia article on Clapper, below:

"When Edward Snowden was asked during a January 26, 2014, television interview in Moscow on what the decisive moment was or what caused him to whistle-blow, he replied: “Sort of the breaking point was seeing the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, directly lie under oath to Congress. ... Seeing that really meant for me there was no going back.”[46]
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On June 5, 2013, The Guardian published the first of the global surveillance documents leaked by Edward Snowden, including a top secret court order showing that the NSA had collected phone records from over 120 million Verizon subscribers.[47]"

So, effectively, what I have learned is that deep state apparatchiki vet people for security clearances here in the Fourth Reich, just as one would suppose that deep state apparatchiki vetted people for security clearances in the Third Reich or in Stalin's Russia.

Again, note that James Clapper lied to Congress in 2013 and was involved in vetting security applications in 2017.

Seems the deep state wolves are guarding the sheep pen.
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Re: Wolves Guarding the Sheep Pen?
Reply #1 - Mar 5th, 2018 at 7:17am
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It's one definition of tyranny, when governments can make the rules that govern their actions.
  
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Re: Wolves Guarding the Sheep Pen?
Reply #2 - Mar 5th, 2018 at 11:38am
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Tom Palven wrote on Mar 5th, 2018 at 3:44am:
I went to Wikipedia to find out who it is that grants security clearances to people like Jared Kushner and others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance

As one would expect, the article didn't name the people who issue security clearances, but I did learn this when I scrolled down to "Authority."

Authority
The authority for classifying information and granting security clearances to access that information is found in executive orders (EOs) and US Federal law. USA's National Security Information (NSI) has been classified under EO 13526, but since January 10, 2017 the rules were modified by James Clapper as Security Executive Agent Directive 4 in the closing days of the Obama administration.[15] Information may be classified under this Order if a classification authority determines its unauthorized release could cause damage to the national defense or foreign relations of the United States. Information concerning nuclear weapons and fissile material may be classified under the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 (AEA). These clearances are only granted by the Department of Energy. The clearance process for access to NSI or AEA information is substantially aligned. Under EO 12968, the investigative and adjudicative guidelines for NSI and AEA clearances are identical. This enables reciprocity between NSI and AEA clearances, although some exceptions exist.
USA's Executive Order 12968's standards are binding on all of the USA's government agencies that handle classified information, but it allows certain agency heads to establish Special Access Programs (SAPs) with additional, but not duplicative, investigative and adjudicative requirements. The Intelligence Community's Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) control systems are a family of SAPs, and SCI eligibility must be granted prior to accessing any particular control system or compartment (which may require additional investigation or adjudication). SCI eligibility policy is described in Intelligence Community Directive 704 and its implementing policy guidance [It should be noted that within the Intelligence Community, the access to SCI information is far more common than "Collateral Top Secret information," and therefore operatives will routinely include SCI in a TS product, just to ensure they do not have to meet the "cradle-to-grave" accountability requirements of Collateral TS information.] Any additional clearance measures used by SAPs must be approved by the Office of Management and Budget, which has generally limited such measures to polygraphs, exclusion of persons with non-US immediate family members, requiring more frequent reinvestigations, and requiring annual updates to security questionnaires."

Note the name James Clapper, who as Director of National Intelligence in charge of all 17 secret police agencies, had testified before Congress that the NSA did not collect intelligence on a single US citizen, and then note what Edward Snowden said in this Wikipedia article on Clapper, below:

"When Edward Snowden was asked during a January 26, 2014, television interview in Moscow on what the decisive moment was or what caused him to whistle-blow, he replied: “Sort of the breaking point was seeing the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, directly lie under oath to Congress. ... Seeing that really meant for me there was no going back.”[46]
Responses[edit]
On June 5, 2013, The Guardian published the first of the global surveillance documents leaked by Edward Snowden, including a top secret court order showing that the NSA had collected phone records from over 120 million Verizon subscribers.[47]"

So, effectively, what I have learned is that deep state apparatchiki vet people for security clearances here in the Fourth Reich, just as one would suppose that deep state apparatchiki vetted people for security clearances in the Third Reich or in Stalin's Russia.

Again, note that James Clapper lied to Congress in 2013 and was involved in vetting security applications in 2017.

Seems the deep state wolves are guarding the sheep pen.
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This whole "scandal" about White House clearances is a creation of the Never Trump media.  The FBI assigned to the Clinton White House wrote a book that talked among other things about the fact that so many people in the White House had "unlimited access" in spite of never being able to obtain the necessary clearances.  The media dismissed those concerns. 

It's natural for any president to feel that he should be able to hire who he wants.  It usually not made into a public issue because Reps hire people who have worked in government so long they often already have clearance and Dems are always given a pass by the media. 


  

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Reply #3 - Mar 5th, 2018 at 11:52am
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Jeff wrote on Mar 5th, 2018 at 7:17am:
It's one definition of tyranny, when governments can make the rules that govern their actions.


Abolish government completely and turn the power over to corporate CEO's.
Trump's family can clear themselves.

Jarvanka could then go talk to Putin directly about US national security matters!
  
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Re: Wolves Guarding the Sheep Pen?
Reply #4 - Mar 5th, 2018 at 12:14pm
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I hope Trump gets re-elected just to make liberals miserable. 

  
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Reply #5 - Mar 5th, 2018 at 12:21pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Mar 5th, 2018 at 12:14pm:
I hope Trump gets re-elected just to make liberals miserable. 



I sort of hope so too, even though I'm not an American liberal.

Trump is almost certainly being held hostage by Putin and that makes the world a safer place.

If Mueller could leave that alone in the national interest then the country could win for a while longer.

Unfortunately, after the Mueller smackdown of Trump, it will be back to normal with both parties pushing for war in the ME. (Syria and Iran for a start)
  
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Re: Wolves Guarding the Sheep Pen?
Reply #6 - Mar 5th, 2018 at 2:16pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Mar 5th, 2018 at 11:38am:
This whole "scandal" about White House clearances is a creation of the Never Trump media.  The FBI assigned to the Clinton White House wrote a book that talked among other things about the fact that so many people in the White House had "unlimited access" in spite of never being able to obtain the necessary clearances.  The media dismissed those concerns.


Correct. But the concerns were theirs to dismiss, unless you don't believe in freedom of the press.

The current scandal involves the President doing something wrong. The fact that others always got away with it is of no concern to this issue.

Most murders remain unsolved. We still do try to punish those we can.

He'll be impeached, and so he should be.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Wolves Guarding the Sheep Pen?
Reply #7 - Mar 5th, 2018 at 2:27pm
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 5th, 2018 at 2:16pm:
Correct. But the concerns were theirs to dismiss, unless you don't believe in freedom of the press.

The current scandal involves the President doing something wrong. The fact that others always got away with it is of no concern to this issue.

Most murders remain unsolved. We still do try to punish those we can.

He'll be impeached, and so he should be.


What did Trump to wrong that he will be impeached for?


  

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Re: Wolves Guarding the Sheep Pen?
Reply #8 - Mar 5th, 2018 at 2:55pm
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Trump is being held hostage by Putin?  LOL, sure he is.  And how is he being held hostage?
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 5th, 2018 at 6:20pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Mar 5th, 2018 at 2:55pm:
Trump is being held hostage by Putin?  LOL, sure he is.  And how is he being held hostage? 


You haven't proven you deserve answers from me Ruby. Sharpen your pencil and your wits and learn how to ask questions for which you don't already have prepared answers.

And so what did government or society do to you to make you a fukked up libertarian? 3 or 4 divorces?
  
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