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The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Mar 11th, 2018 at 2:39pm
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The Golden State is becoming demographically, culturally, and economically a Third World country.

75% of Southern Californians can’t afford a home, and 16 of the top 25 least affordable American communities are in California.

California has the highest poverty rate in the nation.

40% of the population wants to leave, and they cite cost of living, traffic, housing, and homelessness as the top four problems.

It’s not just that mass immigration is straining local infrastructure, increasing demand on housing, and bringing crime, disease, and cultural conflict. It’s that diversity caused much of this collapse to begin with.

California is a state that owes its regnant liberalism to a political alliance between the super-rich and the super-poor.

https://www.amren.com/commentary/2018/03/the-fall-of-california/

The state may split. Like Virginia and Carolina did.  The new spinoff State will become Jefferson.  I will move there if they can keep the Dems from taking over the legislature. That's why California is such a cesspit today - the Dems ruin it for everyone with their excessive taxes, reckless spending on social entitlements, and crony projects. Yuck!
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 2:52pm
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What a bunch of bullshit. California is becoming the best hope for the US to get out of the big racist, cultist, exclusionist, etc. hole it's digging for itself.

California is the anti-Trump. It needs to get rid of the white trash to make room for hardworking Hispanic immigrants.
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #2 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 3:47pm
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SkyChief wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 2:39pm:
The Golden State is becoming demographically, culturally, and economically a Third World country.

75% of Southern Californians can’t afford a home, and 16 of the top 25 least affordable American communities are in California.

California has the highest poverty rate in the nation.

40% of the population wants to leave, and they cite cost of living, traffic, housing, and homelessness as the top four problems.

It’s not just that mass immigration is straining local infrastructure, increasing demand on housing, and bringing crime, disease, and cultural conflict. It’s that diversity caused much of this collapse to begin with.

California is a state that owes its regnant liberalism to a political alliance between the super-rich and the super-poor.

https://www.amren.com/commentary/2018/03/the-fall-of-california/

The state may split. Like Virginia and Carolina did.  The new spinoff State will become Jefferson.  I will move there if they can keep the Dems from taking over the legislature. That's why California is such a cesspit today - the Dems ruin it for everyone with their excessive taxes, reckless spending on social entitlements, and crony projects. Yuck!
Just like the most "progressive" nations are coal mine canaries, so are the most "progressive" states. It's a shame for the people who live there. At least the people of Kalifornia can leave, unlike the people in Cuba or N. Korea.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:06pm
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The American middle-class paradise is now a society on the Latin American model, with elites enjoying cheap labor, gated communities, and a privileged existence, lording it over the 21st century’s equivalent of landless peasants.

He hits on something that I've mentioned.

We're not importing wealth, but we are importing people.

Of course people should have the right to cross national borders, and of course immigration should be open and free, but the article's author has a good point about the result.

The situation before was that people could demand more for their labour. They were born in a country where the price of labour limits the ability to have babies, so labour's worth can never really fall that far.

Now we've imported a gigantic wave of people, but no new housing complexes, factories, or farms. The price of labour has thus fallen to well below what a closed-border (again, this is morally wrong) America would create.

The crux of the issue is that the third world has absolutely no problem generating excess people and the first world does. This is why the whole world is destined to become the third world.

We must remember that libertarianism is not about the result. It's about following the NAP - the non-aggression principle, whatever the result.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #4 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:26pm
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:06pm:
We're not importing wealth, but we are importing people.
How does that relate to people being driven out of Kalifornia because they can't afford to live there?
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:38pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:26pm:
How does that relate to people being driven out of Kalifornia because they can't afford to live there?


Housing costs have risen due to the population explosion.

From the article:
In 1970, more than 60 percent of residents could afford both an average priced house as well as the costs of a college education. By 2007, fewer than half could. Perhaps not coincidentally, more than 40 percent of Valley residents in 2007 were born outside the country.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #6 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:44pm
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:38pm:
Housing costs have risen due to the population explosion.

Zoning and land use "regulation" and ever rising taxes are controlling.

Pressure from immigrants has not driven rental costs beyond the reach of working (and professional or skilled) families. Emmigrants don't compete for $3500/month two bedroom bungalows or one bedroom apartments for similar rents.
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #7 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 8:46pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 3:47pm:
Just like the most "progressive" nations are coal mine canaries, so are the most "progressive" states. It's a shame for the people who live there. At least the people of Kalifornia can leave, unlike the people in Cuba or N. Korea.

Right.  California used to be a wonderful place to live. Before the Dems wrecked it.  When Reagan was governor, [1967-1975] California was a great place - people from all over the country did whatever they could to escape to beautiful California.  They even wrote songs about it. 

But the Dems snuck into Sacramento and started passing really stupid Laws. Californian voters foolishly elected Moonbeam Brown as governor in 1975.  It's been a downward death-spiral ever since.

We had one democrat governor (Gray Davis) who was such a dismal failure, we had to recall his sorry ass! 

It's very painful to see our great state ruined by Democrat leaders/lawmakers. 

“The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.” - Margaret Thatcher
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #8 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 10:40pm
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And poor Arnold, he really tried.
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 12:40pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 10:40pm:
And poor Arnold, he really tried.


Like a lot of the others, it seems you claim to be a libertarian as a cover for being an extreme rightist. This gave it away for you Ruby.

When a Republican fails, he tried but his failure wasn't his fault.

You're suitably transparent and stupid enough for this forum dear!
  
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