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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #140 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 12:32am
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If you have 5 boxcars full of food and you distribute it to 6 groups of people, everybody will be fed.



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Reply #141 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:23am
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If you have 5 boxcars full of food and you distribute it to 6 groups of people, everybody will be fed.


No, everyone will not be fed. The hangers-on who now get food for nothing will have six babies apiece until there's barely enough again.

And once again, you're positing that there is plenty. There is never plenty of anything. Who is eating the six boxcars of food being produced now? That's right - no one. There are not six boxcars of extra anythings. There are just people with six boxcars worth of money, which can only worsen the situation.

Poverty is not lack of money. It's lack of resources. You redistribute money and you just move poverty around. You don't cure it.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #142 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 10:37am
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The Opposition wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:23am:
No, everyone will not be fed. The hangers-on who now get food for nothing will have six babies apiece until there's barely enough again.

And once again, you're positing that there is plenty. There is never plenty of anything. Who is eating the six boxcars of food being produced now? That's right - no one. There are not six boxcars of extra anythings. There are just people with six boxcars worth of money, which can only worsen the situation.

Poverty is not lack of money. It's lack of resources. You redistribute money and you just move poverty around. You don't cure it.
Money can be used to buy food, food that you grow can be sold for money. I can't understand why you overlook that.

Let's explore who is producing the food or earning the money, and why.

Farmers in free economies produce surpluses so they can sell them for money.

Farmers in centrally planned economies pretend to work and the State pretends to pay them. Shortages of food occur. Sometimes famines.
  
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Reply #143 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 1:04pm
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The Opposition wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:23am:
No, everyone will not be fed. The hangers-on who now get food for nothing will have six babies apiece until there's barely enough again.


As you say, they will be fed and they may get food for nothing. And they may have babies. Now I'll leave you to Craig Sickler to debate the finer points.

Are you handicapped and sitting in a wheel chair? Don't be afraid to tell us. Is your mom responsible for the way you are acting now?
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #144 - May 5th, 2018 at 4:36pm
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California advances to the 5th Largest economy in the World!  Surpassing U.K..

http://abc7news.com/business/californias-economy-is-now-worlds-5th-largest/34300...

Time to split up the state into smaller states.  California has become dangerously large.

Sacramento Government is too powerful, and is no longer is representative of its constituents. Nine out of ten laws passed in Sacramento benefit the government, not the people.

It cries out for de-centralization.
  
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Reply #145 - May 5th, 2018 at 4:47pm
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Jeff wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 10:37am:
Money can be used to buy food, food that you grow can be sold for money. I can't understand why you overlook that.


No it can't. There has to be extra food sitting around to buy.

Redistributing money does not magically create more food.

It might create a demand for more food, but all that will do is raise prices.
  

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Reply #146 - May 5th, 2018 at 5:18pm
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The Opposition wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 4:47pm:
No it can't. There has to be extra food sitting around to buy.

Geez!

Farmers want to earn money, that's why they produce food for sale.

If there was no money, people would barter for food.

If no one had any money or anything to barter for food, it would be the Soviet Union or Communist China in one of their induced famines. Cry

But seriously, farmers won't just keep producing food if no one has either money or goods to barter... Why would they? It's expensive and lots of hard work to produce food for sale.

People have never been willing to do it unless they expected to be rewarded.

The best known way to make sure it all works out pretty well most of the time is to not screw around with money or farmers or anybody else.

Don't plan centrally! Don't even imagine to pretend that the best bureaucracy in the world ( Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy) can plan an economy so that there will be food sitting around waiting to be bought. Cheesy

That only happens in free economies.
  
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Reply #147 - May 5th, 2018 at 6:37pm
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Jeff wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 5:18pm:
But seriously, farmers won't just keep producing food if no one has either money or goods to barter... Why would they? It's expensive and lots of hard work to produce food for sale.



Sure they will Craig. In the US the government quite often pays farmers a subsidy to produce food. Why do you think that would be Craig?

Would libertarians stop that practice? Sure they would!

It's because they're such shallow thinkers that they wouldn't be able to comprehend the damage they could do with their stupid ideas. And it's the reason why they will never be considered for government.

Last election Gary Johnson was outed by forcing him to start explaining what he and his party stood for. That must never happen of course.  Embarrassed


  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #148 - May 5th, 2018 at 7:53pm
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Jeff wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 5:18pm:
Geez!

Farmers want to earn money, that's why they produce food for sale.


When demand increases, they earn the same amount of extra money by just raising prices as they would by producing more food.

If it's easy to break into the farming business, there would be a check on this behaviour, but it's not, and there isn't.
  

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Reply #149 - May 5th, 2018 at 8:01pm
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The Opposition wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 7:53pm:
When demand increases, they earn the same amount of extra money by just raising prices as they would by producing more food.

If it's easy to break into the farming business, there would be a check on this behaviour, but it's not, and there isn't.


Corrupt US government only subsidizes big farms, which makes it impossible for the little guy to break in to the business. Craig doesn't understand that and he doesn't want to know anyway.

And you mix up vegans with kunhts. Time to grow up a bit  Oppo. Ask Ruby when you should expect to start menu straighting.
  
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