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Reply #150 - May 6th, 2018 at 8:51am
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Sure they will Craig. In the US the government quite often pays farmers a subsidy to produce food. Why do you think that would be Craig?
Cronyism and economic ignorance.

Did you know that during the Great Depression our "progressive" government bought food and destroyed it in order to keep food prices high?
  
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Reply #151 - May 6th, 2018 at 8:56am
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The Opposition wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 7:53pm:
When demand increases, they earn the same amount of extra money by just raising prices as they would by producing more food.

Farmers can raise their prices all they want to, but if nobody will pay them $5.00/bushel for their corn, then they will just have to sell it for as close to the current market price as someone will pay them or feed it to their cows, or let if rot or try to store it until they can get $5.00/bushel for it.

Farmers, like anyone else with something to sell, can't just unilaterally raise prices... unless they happen to be a "regulated" crony business with a government granted monopoly.

BTW, farmers have to compete with other farmers, and it takes time to plant and harvest crops. You are right that when demand for a farm commodity exceeds the current supply, the price goes up, but the reason it goes up is that farmers are running out of the current crop to sell. They often all then plant the commodity that saw a price increase, so that next year, there is lots and lots of it, and the price goes way down...

Of course this doesn't really apply to giant agribusinesses growing corn to be turned into ethanol.
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #152 - May 6th, 2018 at 11:05am
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Jeff wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 8:56am:
Farmers, like anyone else with something to sell, can't just unilaterally raise prices... unless they happen to be a "regulated" crony business with a government granted monopoly...

Of course this doesn't really apply to giant agribusinesses growing corn to be turned into ethanol.

There is a word for a system of government where the Government controls the production and distribution of certain commodities...

I forgot the word... I'll have to research it.   Wink
  
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Reply #153 - May 6th, 2018 at 11:20am
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Jeff wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 8:56am:
Farmers can raise their prices all they want to, but if nobody will pay them $5.00/bushel for their corn, then they will just have to sell it for as close to the current market price as someone will pay them or feed it to their cows, or let if rot or try to store it until they can get $5.00/bushel for it.


Actually it doesn't work that way. Government can step in and provide a subsidy to farmers. It works very well and good food isn't wasted.

The idea could have originated from Marx?
  
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Reply #154 - May 6th, 2018 at 6:31pm
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Jeff wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 8:56am:
Farmers can raise their prices all they want to, but if nobody will pay them $5.00/bushel for their corn,


Then the government pays. When did you lose track of the fact that my argument was against redistributing money specifically so people could buy food?

The Opposition wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:23am:
And once again, you're positing that there is plenty. There is never plenty of anything. Who is eating the six boxcars of food being produced now? That's right - no one. There are not six boxcars of extra anythings. There are just people with six boxcars worth of money, which can only worsen the situation.

Poverty is not lack of money. It's lack of resources. You redistribute money and you just move poverty around. You don't cure it.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #155 - May 6th, 2018 at 7:13pm
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Actually it doesn't work that way. Government can step in and provide a subsidy to farmers. It works very well and good food isn't wasted.


Is that how they do it in N.Korea and Venezuela? Good food isn't wasted because there isn't much of it produced and what there is goes to the rulers?

You think mandating that corn should be burned is a good idea? Why?
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #156 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 11:35am
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2018 California Prop 69:

"Requires that certain revenues generated by a 2017 transportation funding law be used ONLY for transportation purposes and prohibits Legislature from diverting funds for other purposes."

So, we need a NEW Law to prevent California Lawmakers from breaking the Law? 

This is the madness that us Californians must deal with with from Sacramento. This illustrates perfectly why we need to split up the state.

Let the moonbats in Sacramento tax themselves into oblivion.
  
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Reply #157 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 12:48pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 1st, 2018 at 11:35am:
2018 California Prop 69:

"Requires that certain revenues generated by a 2017 transportation funding law be used ONLY for transportation purposes and prohibits Legislature from diverting funds for other purposes."

So, we need a NEW Law to prevent California Lawmakers from breaking the Law? 

This is the madness that us Californians must deal with with from Sacramento. This illustrates perfectly why we need to split up the state.

Let the moonbats in Sacramento tax themselves into oblivion.

That sounds like the corruption has sprung out of the polarization of the people, strictly toward two opposite thinking political parties.

And the outcome has brought you polarized politicians that are incapable of working for the good of the people.

The extreme example is Trump! There's no possible way a progressive is going to ever accept that kind of vicious dogma.

And so both sides now have 'extremes' as their objective. You're an example with your idea of eliminating income taxation completely.

Forget about finding any common ground with anybody, you're too far gone.
  
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Reply #158 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 3:59pm
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Forget about finding any common ground with anybody, you're too far gone.
What will happen to him?
  
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Reply #159 - Jun 6th, 2018 at 8:51am
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Another illustration of how a one party government plays the game-

http://reason.com/blog/2018/06/05/in-todays-election-san-francisco-voters?utm_me...

And this-

http://www.france24.com/en/20180606-turkey-students-go-trial-over-terror-propaga...

Turkey is a one party state now too and propaganda is whatever they say it is!
  
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