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Reply #160 - Jun 6th, 2018 at 1:06pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 6th, 2018 at 8:51am:
Another illustration of how a one party government plays the game-

http://reason.com/blog/2018/06/05/in-todays-election-san-francisco-voters?utm_me...

And this-

http://www.france24.com/en/20180606-turkey-students-go-trial-over-terror-propaga...

Turkey is a one party state now too and propaganda is whatever they say it is!


The real problem with California is that they will fall into oblivion if they fail to tax the people adequately. If kneejerk rightist dogma isn't just ignored it could happen.

It seems to me that back 20 years or so California learned a real lesson when they decided to not tax adequately for the state's needs. It resulted in real big problems that cost a lot of taxpayer's money to reverse.
  
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Reply #161 - Jun 15th, 2018 at 8:58am
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Reply #162 - Jun 15th, 2018 at 11:52am
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Jeff wrote on Jun 15th, 2018 at 8:58am:

It seems the LAUSD has always been plagued with deficit spending for extravagant pensions, but the problem has really worsened since 2009.  Charter schools have been a tremendous success, so that means a lot less funding for LAUSD.  They should have cut back pension spending but responsible spending was never in the Democrat's wheelhouse.
  
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Reply #163 - Jun 15th, 2018 at 1:49pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 15th, 2018 at 11:52am:
It seems the LAUSD has always been plagued with deficit spending for extravagant pensions, but the problem has really worsened since 2009.  Charter schools have been a tremendous success, so that means a lot less funding for LAUSD.  They should have cut back pension spending but responsible spending was never in the Democrat's wheelhouse.
True.
It seems they kept/keep hiring more and more administrators too.
  
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Reply #164 - Jun 15th, 2018 at 7:51pm
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There are also some crazy social engineering experiments going on in California.

One of the most staggeringly stupid programs is a program that pays money to criminals for not committing crimes.

Read that again.  It took me a couple of glances before it started to sink in.

"The Sacramento city council voted unanimously to pay 50 known gang members suspected of the majority of the crimes, including those committed with firearms, to be paid directly from the city’s general fund.

While California politicians trip over themselves to punish legal gun owners, build obstacles to limit the ability of law-abiding citizens to exercise their Second Amendment rights, and draft laws that punish firearms-related businesses and drive them out of state, they now want to pay known gang members to just not commit crimes.

That’s right. They want to pay criminals with tax dollars to do what law-abiding members of society do every day because they live within the norms and laws of society."

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/10/california-city-pay-criminals-while-state-puni...

This is why so many law-abiding people are fleeing the state. This is why over 600,000 Californians have demanded that California should be split up into (3) smaller states.

Sacramento progressive lawmakers are completely out-of-control. They need to be sequestered.
  
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Reply #165 - Jun 15th, 2018 at 10:54pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 15th, 2018 at 7:51pm:
There are also some crazy social engineering experiments going on in California.

One of the most staggeringly stupid programs is a program that pays money to criminals for not committing crimes.

Read that again.  It took me a couple of glances before it started to sink in.

"The Sacramento city council voted unanimously to pay 50 known gang members suspected of the majority of the crimes, including those committed with firearms, to be paid directly from the city’s general fund.

While California politicians trip over themselves to punish legal gun owners, build obstacles to limit the ability of law-abiding citizens to exercise their Second Amendment rights, and draft laws that punish firearms-related businesses and drive them out of state, they now want to pay known gang members to just not commit crimes.

That’s right. They want to pay criminals with tax dollars to do what law-abiding members of society do every day because they live within the norms and laws of society."

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/10/california-city-pay-criminals-while-state-puni...

This is why so many law-abiding people are fleeing the state. This is why over 600,000 Californians have demanded that California should be split up into (3) smaller states.

Sacramento progressive lawmakers are completely out-of-control. They need to be sequestered.


It's a consequence of freedom. Some people will commit crimes. The only way to make them stop without violating their piles and piles of rights stacked up to the sky is to bribe them not to.

I am not saying a police state is moral. It is immoral.

But this is the reason people would want it.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #166 - Jun 16th, 2018 at 6:34am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 15th, 2018 at 10:54pm:
It's a consequence of freedom. Some people will commit crimes.
Freedom causes crime?

Is that supergenius level analysis?

People commit crimes even when they are incarcerated in maximum security prisons... Probably because they have too much freedom?


  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #167 - Jun 16th, 2018 at 11:14am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 15th, 2018 at 10:54pm:
It's a consequence of freedom. Some people will commit crimes. The only way to make them stop without violating their piles and piles of rights stacked up to the sky is to bribe them not to.

I am not saying a police state is moral. It is immoral.

But this is the reason people would want it.

Nobody wants a Police State. 

We want our (Sacramento) Lawmakers to make policy which benefits ALL Californians - not make policy that re-distributes taxpayer's wealth to criminals!

There needs to be adult supervision in Sacramento.  Someone with a firm, but loving hand (and the voice of Isaac Hayes) that says "No, children, you can't do that."
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #168 - Jun 16th, 2018 at 12:12pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 16th, 2018 at 6:34am:
Freedom causes crime?

Is that supergenius level analysis?

People commit crimes even when they are incarcerated in maximum security prisons... Probably because they have too much freedom?


If they had zero freedom, they couldn't commit crimes. Sorry this simple fact flies right over your head.

SkyChief wrote on Jun 16th, 2018 at 11:14am:
Nobody wants a Police State. 

We want our (Sacramento) Lawmakers to make policy which benefits ALL Californians - not make policy that re-distributes taxpayer's wealth to criminals!


You want rewards for good behaviour and/or punishments for bad behaviour but not the opposite?

That's a police state.

SkyChief wrote on Jun 16th, 2018 at 11:14am:
There needs to be adult supervision in Sacramento.  Someone with a firm, but loving hand (and the voice of Isaac Hayes) that says "No, children, you can't do that."


You mean actual enforcement? That's a police state.

I am not arguing that a police state is moral. I am not advocating for a police state. I'm just telling you that when people have too many rights to ever enforce against them, this is what you get.
  

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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #169 - Jun 16th, 2018 at 2:07pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 16th, 2018 at 12:12pm:
If they had zero freedom, they couldn't commit crimes.
That is not at all the same as saying crime is a consequence of freedom.

Crime is a result of failure to respect the rights of others, it's an individual thing. You don't respect my right to own property, so you steal it.
  
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