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Reply #170 - Jun 23rd, 2018 at 5:17pm
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Here's a hilarious article in today's L.A. Times.  These moonbats are shakin' in their boots.

They know that if California splits, Dems lose their stranglehold on the state.  They lose their 55 electoral votes.  They lose the sanctuary state.   They lose $384 Billion in tax revenues.

They lose a lot.   No wonder they mock it:

“Everyone assumes this [partitioning CA into 3 states] is such a stupid proposal that it’s not going to go anywhere,” says former Assembly Speaker Fabian Nuñez, who is launching an opposition drive but is just beginning to raise money for it.

At least there are a few elements of truth in the article:

"It’s true that taxes are high and labor and environmental regulations strict, and in some respects perhaps higher and stricter than they need to be. "

"Some people have the charitable view that Draper is using the three-state idea to jump-start a public discussion of how best to govern California."

Of course we do, you silly moonbats.  Have you forgotten about the California governor who was so socially destructive to the state WE HAD TO RECALL HIS SORRY ASS?  [Gray Davis (D) - 2003]

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-3-states-20180622-story.ht...
  
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Reply #171 - Jun 23rd, 2018 at 7:29pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 16th, 2018 at 2:07pm:
That is not at all the same as saying crime is a consequence of freedom.

Crime is a result of failure to respect the rights of others, it's an individual thing. You don't respect my right to own property, so you steal it.


Sorry mr. Sickler but I'm not going to allow you to just push me where I'm shoved. For our mutual best interest I'm going to go soft on this one.

Crime is only a consequence of not respecting the rights of others but it's brought on in a corrupt society be completely outrageous income inequality. The American people are resorting to crime because there's no other way left for them.

Respectfully, me your dink.
  

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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #172 - Jun 24th, 2018 at 4:20pm
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SicklersDink wrote on Jun 23rd, 2018 at 7:29pm:
Crime is only a consequence of not respecting the rights of others but it's brought on in a corrupt society be completely outrageous income inequality. The American people are resorting to crime because there's no other way left for them.
Are you certifiably insane?

Red, what do you think?

I hoped the Chief would chime in and say; 

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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #173 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 1:36pm
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More insane legislation comes out of Sacramento.  It just doesn't stop. 


Gov. Jerry Brown this week signed into law Assembly Bill 1810 — a budget “trailer bill” with no credited author that takes effect immediately. It includes a provision that appears to allow defendants charged with any crime to get the charges put on hold and perhaps eventually dismissed if they can persuade a judge that the offense resulted from a mental disorder that a mental health expert says is treatable.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/sd-mental-health-diversion-crime-cal...


Only when the state splits up into smaller states can this problem be rectified.

There is no adult supervision in Sacramento, and that's why these ludicrous assembly bills can go unchallenged.

Enough is enough.
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #174 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 1:45pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 1:36pm:
More insane legislation comes out of Sacramento.  It just doesn't stop. 


Gov. Jerry Brown this week signed into law Assembly Bill 1810 — a budget “trailer bill” with no credited author that takes effect immediately. It includes a provision that appears to allow defendants charged with any crime to get the charges put on hold and perhaps eventually dismissed if they can persuade a judge that the offense resulted from a mental disorder that a mental health expert says is treatable.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/sd-mental-health-diversion-crime-cal...


Only when the state splits up into smaller states can this problem be rectified.

There is no adult supervision in Sacramento, and that's why these ludicrous assembly bills can go unchallenged.

Enough is enough. 

Good socially responsible move! It will reduce the load on the courts and at the same time help to prevent mentally ill people from going to prison for years and coming out as hardened mentally ill criminals.

This is entirely consistent with the 'new' libertarian principles I'm encouraging with my new thread..

What could you be thinking?
  

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Reply #175 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 4:05am
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Jeff wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 8:56am:
Farmers, like anyone else with something to sell, can't just unilaterally raise prices... unless they happen to be a "regulated" crony business with a government granted monopoly.


The US government subsidizes agriculture by paying farmers not to produce with your tax dollars. Lots of big agriculture businesses just buy and hold land to get paid for not growing anything on it.

The government claims this is not government subsidization of agricultural production. It pulls land out of production to  regulate the supply of product to stabilize prices.

Farmers need stable price markets in order to plan ahead. it is not like they can start and stop production by turning on or off the machines and production line. They still have to contend with weather and other factors that impact the market price for their crops.

Lets quit using the term farmers. They disappeared years ago and it is now big Agri-business with political influence in every country in the world.

Canada has Industry run marketing boards which regulate crop production and controls the supply by limiting or increasing the market allocations to producers. No tax dollars are used.

Marketing boards buy crops at price levels that are set over a period of years to equalize low and high price years so farmers are guaranteed a stable price set by the market average over a period of time, not year by year. "Farmers" can choose to participate or not. They can go to the open market if they want to. Very few do, and most prefer the marketing boards for stable prices they can plan on. This system is used for Dairy, Chicken, eggs, and crops (primarily grains).

Canada likes it system, both farmers and taxpayers. The US government likes its system better. It says the Canadian system is unfair trade. (it might be unfair to the American Tax Payer)

America says Canada's system creates unfair trade and is government subsidy. They claim Armerica's system of paying Agri-business is not government subsidization. (they are paying  not to produce, not subsidizing production) It is the basis of the current trade war between the USA and Canada.

Agricultural trade between the USA and Canada is about $20 billion each way annually. Some years Canada is a couple of billion  ahead and the next year it is the other way around Over the period since NAFTA was formed Canada is ahead $750 thousand dollars, and that could be the other way next year. It is pretty close to equal trade. Is it Fair Trade?

John Deere Tractors, heavy agricultural equipment, Fertilizer and materials for barn and silo construction are not considered part of agricultural trade balance  and Canada is a major customer for American suppliers of this equipment and chemicals from Dow and Monsanto.

Northern States. like Wisconsin that helped Trump win the election, want a bigger share of the Dairy market in Canada. They are pushing Trump to isolate dairy from the total agricultural  trade agreements and start a trade war to help them get that market share.  Of course it is the American consumer who will pay for these tariffs that Trump is placing on products they consume.
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #176 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 7:04am
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goodbye wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 4:05am:
The US government subsidizes agriculture by paying farmers not to produce with your tax dollars. Lots of big agriculture businesses just buy and hold land to get paid for not growing anything on it.

The government claims this is not government subsidization of agricultural production. It pulls land out of production to  regulate the supply of product to stabilize prices.

Farmers need stable price markets in order to plan ahead. it is not like they can start and stop production by turning on or off the machines and production line. They still have to contend with weather and other factors that impact the market price for their crops.

Lets quit using the term farmers. They disappeared years ago and it is now big Agri-business with political influence in every country in the world.


There are still lots of small farms, but they aren't the ones getting the subsidies, of which there are many (including price supports for sugar and a really strange program for raisin producers).

https://www.downsizinggovernment.org/agriculture/subsidies

Farmers don't need stable prices anymore than any other business needs stable prices. As you say, manufacturers can reduce production and lay off workers if they are losing money, or reduce prices, but if their market is weak or there is competition they can't meet, they, just like farmers, are likely to lose money or go out of business.

I'm not buying the claim that farming is "different" and therefore needs help from the government. Big agribusiness is just another crony industry.
  
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Reply #177 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:03am
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goodbye wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 4:05am:
The US government subsidizes agriculture by paying farmers not to produce with your tax dollars. Lots of big agriculture businesses just buy and hold land to get paid for not growing anything on it.
Wait a sec...

So the government controls the production and distribution of agriculture?  That's socialism.    Smiley
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #178 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:40am
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Jeff wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 7:04am:
There are still lots of small farms, but they aren't the ones getting the subsidies, of which there are many (including price supports for sugar and a really strange program for raisin producers).

https://www.downsizinggovernment.org/agriculture/subsidies

Farmers don't need stable prices anymore than any other business needs stable prices. As you say, manufacturers can reduce production and lay off workers if they are losing money, or reduce prices, but if their market is weak or there is competition they can't meet, they, just like farmers, are likely to lose money or go out of business.

I'm not buying the claim that farming is "different" and therefore needs help from the government. Big agribusiness is just another crony industry.


I'm disappointed in you boss, you usually understand this kind of stuff. Are you letting th chief drag you down out of frustration?
  

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Reply #179 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:41am
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 10:03am:
Wait a sec...

So the government controls the production and distribution of agriculture?  That's socialism.    Smiley


No chief, it's communism!! And it's the commie under your bed who is making it happen.
  

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