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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #190 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:26pm
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SicklersDink wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:00pm:
Is California the same now Chief? I think that rich people probably work in Texas and live in California. I would.

I was born and raised here, lived (most of) my life here. There have been numerous (political) changes over the past recent years that have left the state in really bad shape.

I will never accuse Sacramento Lawmakers of being lazy.  They make laws like there's no tomorrow!  The problem is, most of them are bad laws.  This is the impetus for the Cal-3 break-up.

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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #191 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:38pm
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goodbye wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 3:04am:
I don't understand some of your stats. Home ownership is over 50% in California. (50% of population live in homes they or their parents own)  Its poverty rate percentage of residents is no where near the worst , which is Mississippi I think.

Its public schools system used to be near the top every year among all states, but now it is down in the middle range.

Of course even the stats I see can be played with, depending on who, how and what you count or how you interpret the data.


I lived for many years in the Bay area, Santa Barbara and Los Angeles. In the 60s and 70s. It was the beautiful golden state with a thriving economy in those days. California was always the model for the future in America. 

Not any more. I don't even go there very often these days to visit friends. It is depressing to see the conditions of the state now. So I don't disagree with you that it is on a downhill slide.

Not sure if splitting the state into smaller pieces is a solution. Once you start down that path you might end up with many more mini-states to accommodate all the different philosophies. I think it is important to quote correct facts and not misleading statistics. To start building anew it is important to begin with truth and on a base that bring people together, not divide them into endlessly smaller and smaller like minded groups.

Now is not the time to retreat into smaller zones of sanity. It is important to expand the sanity zones that still exist, wherever they are. Don't surrender or retreat.


Obviously splitting up California is nonsense that will never happen.

The issue is, the problems in the US are starting to bring California down to getting near the equivalent of the rest of the shitholes like Texas. Nobody wants to live in Texas because the roads are lined with junkpiles as far as the eye can see. Socialism must be responsible! Right?

Wealthy people who can choose are still going to choose California. The others should just move to Texas.

In Canada we have the equivalent of Calofirnia in B.C., as you will know. The equivalent of Texas is Alberta.

The difference is that B.C. isn't on the march to the bottom like California. It's mainly because it's two different countries.
  

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Reply #192 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:43pm
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Another reason why Northern California needs to be contained:




Stockton, California will become the first city in the country to participate in a test of Universal Basic Income, in which 100 residents will be given $500-dollars-a-month, with no strings attached.

The program aims to create a level of income that no one will fall beneath.

The program in Stockton, which was once known as America's foreclosure capital, will see the program launched by 2019, and the payments will continue to the individuals chosen for the program for a full 18-months.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5936339/Residents-Stockton-set-500-month...



There it is, folks.   Pure, unadulterated re-distribution of wealth.  This is how California Lawmakers find solutions to income disparity.  Drop money from helicopters.  Yeah! That should fix it! 

Wow.  Just WOW.   Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #193 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:54pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:43pm:
Another reason why Northern California needs to be contained:




Stockton, California will become the first city in the country to participate in a test of Universal Basic Income, in which 100 residents will be given $500-dollars-a-month, with no strings attached.

The program aims to create a level of income that no one will fall beneath.

The program in Stockton, which was once known as America's foreclosure capital, will see the program launched by 2019, and the payments will continue to the individuals chosen for the program for a full 18-months.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5936339/Residents-Stockton-set-500-month...



There it is, folks.   Pure, unadulterated re-distribution of wealth.  This is how California Lawmakers find solutions to income disparity.  Drop money from helicopters.  Yeah! That should fix it! 

Wow.  Just WOW.   Roll Eyes


That sounds like a very interesting experiment. At the least it should encourage capitalists to bring forward other ideas that can achieve the same desired result.

It could be a golden opportunity for libertarians to suggest something that will work!
  

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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #194 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 2:07pm
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SicklersDink wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:54pm:
That sounds like a very interesting experiment. At the least it should encourage capitalists to bring forward other ideas that can achieve the same desired result.

It could be a golden opportunity for libertarians to suggest something that will work!

The libertarian solution is to limit the size and powers of government.

Encourage responsible spending limits.   And the only way to do that is to take away the credit card  (end State Income Tax). 

No more wild shopping sprees for Lawmakers. No more crony "bridge-to-nowhere" projects. No more light rail projects that would have little or no ridership. No more projects which become a liability that taxpayers will be forced to pay for.

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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #195 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 3:49pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 1:26pm:


I will never accuse Sacramento Lawmakers of being lazy.  They make laws like there's no tomorrow!  The problem is, most of them are bad laws. 

“No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session.” - Gideon J. Tucker


The more laws you have, the more criminals you will have. It is simple math because there are more opportunities to break a law.
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #196 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 3:57pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 11:22am:
Indeed, it was.  It used to be beautiful state - a paradise.  All that changed. 



I said California used to be the model for the bright future America was moving towards. That used to be a positive model. Maybe California is still the bell weather state and the model for the future direction America is moving toward. Now it is not positive any more, but a message for how things can go wrong.
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #197 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 3:57pm
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goodbye wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 3:49pm:
The more laws you have, the more criminals you will have. It is simple math because there are more opportunities to break a law.


The more lack of social responsibility in government, the more laws will be broken and the more Americans will sit rotting in prison and learning how to become hardened criminals.

Have a look at how Norway has solved the problem!
  

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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #198 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 4:16pm
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goodbye wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 3:49pm:
The more laws you have, the more criminals you will have. It is simple math because there are more opportunities to break a law.

Well said!   Smiley
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #199 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 4:36pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 4:16pm:
Well said!   Smiley


He's right! It's simple math!

And he could have also said, 'the more people in prisons' too.

That's America chief and we both agree that US government is totally corrupt.

Do you think that looking at another country where they have the least number of people in prison would be an answer?

Does that country have less laws? They might even have more laws!

They absolutely have more gun laws!
  

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