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Reply #20 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 6:10pm
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Such an elementary truth Ruby and I understand it completely.
Yes, Ruby and you are both correct, it's an elementary truth...

Why go on to great lengths to try to deny and disprove it?

You prefer lies?
  
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Reply #21 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 6:17pm
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The Cato institute is an extreme right org...
You keep saying this, that libertarians are "extreme right".

In fact, libertarians are the intellectual heirs of classical liberals, who have always opposed right wing Fascism and authoritarian communism, national Socialism and World Socialism.

Libertarians are liberal in opposing "progressive" rule by elites of all sorts and believing that the best world allows people to order their own lives under a system of equally applied laws.
  
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Reply #22 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 6:25pm
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It's ridiculous to say that libertarians have everything in common with the right and nothing in common with the left.  Liberals just don't agree with big government on either side.
  
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Reply #23 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 6:35pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 6:25pm:
It's ridiculous to say that libertarians have everything in common with the right and nothing in common with the left.  Liberals just don't agree with big government on either side.
You should reply to our dear Donat, not post as if you are replying to me...

Has Donat intimidated you?
  
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Reply #24 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 11:45pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Mar 14th, 2018 at 6:25pm:
It's ridiculous to say that libertarians have everything in common with the right and nothing in common with the left.  Liberals just don't agree with big government on either side.


Every one of you are biased toward the Republican party. Is that a coincidence?

And I might as well take this opportunity to tell you too Ruby that you're on probation with me. You'll either mind your manners or you'll be ignored. I couldn't care less what you choose to do because I see no value in anything you've had to say since you joined the forum again.
  
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Reply #25 - Mar 15th, 2018 at 8:30am
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Every one of you are biased toward the Republican party. Is that a coincidence?
To the extent that Party Republicans still talk like classical liberals about limited government and free markets and individual rights, libertarians are biased toward their rhetoric.


  
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Reply #26 - Mar 15th, 2018 at 3:46pm
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Every one of you are biased toward the Republican party.


I am not, and Tom is not.

I recognise that the ideology I am trying to follow - libertarianism - is an extremely far-left philosophy.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #27 - Mar 15th, 2018 at 5:16pm
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 15th, 2018 at 3:46pm:
I recognise that the ideology I am trying to follow - libertarianism - is an extremely far-left philosophy.
If by that you mean that only liberal minded people have libertarian inclinations, you are absolutely correct.

If by "far left" you mean National and International Socialists... It's obvious they are lizard brained rather than liberal minded.
  
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Reply #28 - Mar 15th, 2018 at 6:57pm
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(The following is not mine. I copied and pasted with the writer's blessing:)

This is an update today from Jeff Stone, Republican state senator, on the progressive Democrats’ continued destruction of California.

SB-1: increases your gas taxes by approximately 20 Cents, (Nov 1) and your vehicle license fees by an average of $100 (Jan 1st).

2. Passed Cap-n-Trade Tax which will increase gas 0.63 to 0.93 cents a gallon change and the taxes that go with it. So do the math projection.... (0.12 + 0.63 = 075/gallon + current $3.10/gallon = $3.85/gallon) We're already the costliest in the nation.

3.Proposed increase on a new tax every residence will pay for tap water!

4. A $3.46B parks bond to pay for parks in "disadvantaged communities", meaning Los Angeles. The debt service alone will be over $200 million a year.

5. Law to release any lifer (murder, rape , child molestation, etc.) who is 60 years old and has already spent 25 years in prison! Charles Manson would have qualified if he just waited a few months before dying; and the Melendez brothers that murdered their parents could be released in about 12 years? Victims?... What victims?

6. A new $ 50 charge on all residents living in a mobile home parks to address “living condition enforcement” in those parks? What the hell does that mean? As if having to live in a mobile home park isn’t bad enough? Why does the left embrace these regressive taxes on the poor?

7. We picked an official dinosaur for the State of California. Really??? Yes, Really!!!

8. Blackmail Tesla to either unionize with the United Auto Workers Union, or forfeit State incentives to buy their electric cars! Maybe political blackmail doesn’t count as breaking any law. Unions are loving it. “Watch out solar companies... They may be coming after you next!!!”

9. Reduce from a felony to a misdemeanor the purposeful intent to transmit the AIDS virus to a unknowing partner

10. Give preferential treatment to prisoners convicted of serious crimes that are less than 25 years old because their brains are not mature enough to understand right from wrong. Whaaat? If the brains of our kids don't mature until 25, why do we allow them to vote ?

11. A bill to require our true sex be omitted from drivers licenses? Whaaat?

12. Free legal services for illegal immigrants... Of course!

13. Establish safe "injection zones" run by government to oversee people injecting heroin!
You have to be kidding me? Yep, it passed!
  
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Reply #29 - Mar 15th, 2018 at 7:04pm
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SkyChief wrote on Mar 15th, 2018 at 6:57pm:
(The following is not mine. I copied and pasted with the writer's blessing:)

This is an update today from Jeff Stone, Republican state senator, on the progressive Democrats’ continued destruction of California.

SB-1: increases your gas taxes by approximately 20 Cents, (Nov 1) and your vehicle license fees by an average of $100 (Jan 1st).

2. Passed Cap-n-Trade Tax which will increase gas 0.63 to 0.93 cents a gallon change and the taxes that go with it. So do the math projection.... (0.12 + 0.63 = 075/gallon + current $3.10/gallon = $3.85/gallon) We're already the costliest in the nation.

3.Proposed increase on a new tax every residence will pay for tap water!

4. A $3.46B parks bond to pay for parks in "disadvantaged communities", meaning Los Angeles. The debt service alone will be over $200 million a year.

5. Law to release any lifer (murder, rape , child molestation, etc.) who is 60 years old and has already spent 25 years in prison! Charles Manson would have qualified if he just waited a few months before dying; and the Melendez brothers that murdered their parents could be released in about 12 years? Victims?... What victims?

6. A new $ 50 charge on all residents living in a mobile home parks to address “living condition enforcement” in those parks? What the hell does that mean? As if having to live in a mobile home park isn’t bad enough? Why does the left embrace these regressive taxes on the poor?

7. We picked an official dinosaur for the State of California. Really??? Yes, Really!!!

8. Blackmail Tesla to either unionize with the United Auto Workers Union, or forfeit State incentives to buy their electric cars! Maybe political blackmail doesn’t count as breaking any law. Unions are loving it. “Watch out solar companies... They may be coming after you next!!!”

9. Reduce from a felony to a misdemeanor the purposeful intent to transmit the AIDS virus to a unknowing partner

10. Give preferential treatment to prisoners convicted of serious crimes that are less than 25 years old because their brains are not mature enough to understand right from wrong. Whaaat? If the brains of our kids don't mature until 25, why do we allow them to vote ?

11. A bill to require our true sex be omitted from drivers licenses? Whaaat?

12. Free legal services for illegal immigrants... Of course!

13. Establish safe "injection zones" run by government to oversee people injecting heroin!
You have to be kidding me? Yep, it passed!
Since West Virginia created a State government that legally separated it from Virginia, there is and has obviously always been a Constitutionally valid process for North California to become a State of the Union independent of Moonbeams.

The sooner they do it, the better, in my opinion.

I don't live there, but I will support them having the same States Rights as West Virginia.


  
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