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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #200 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 4:56pm
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As a former Californian, for the majority of my life, it has been getting worse for the last 20ish years.  Largely due to the disfunctional initiative system and irresponsible legislature under one party rule.   

They'd never have droughts if they charged appropriately for water, instead they ignore the cyclic nature of precipitation in the state wait for the drought and then brow beat and threaten folks into not bathing. 

They'd never have a budget problem if they didn't treat income taxes the same way.  A heavily progressive system means they are flush in a good economy and broke in a bad economy. 

They wast billions on the boondoggle of medium speed rail while ignoring existing infrastructure. 

Restrictive land use policy has resulted in >$100k/year being below the poverty line in cities that stink of urine and feces. 

So, basically the plan is to drive out the rich people with confiscatory taxation rates. Great idea!

  
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Reply #201 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 4:57pm
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Maybe California is still the bell weather state and the model for the future direction America is moving toward.
Why would you say that?

Better we look towards Venezuela.
  
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Reply #202 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 5:19pm
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Here are some policy proposals that Kalifornia should implement, because they work and save tremendous amounts of time and money.

http://click1.e.reason.org/ViewMessage.do?m=hwvcmfh&r=bqqpljzd&s=nfwkbkbhhfwbdgp...

Edit: This should be of particular interest to Kalifornians-

California High-Speed Rail: From Bad to Worse
  
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Reply #203 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 5:20pm
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I posted an article about California's, "Universal Basic Income" before SkyChief did, but it went ignored.  That's okay, I'll try not to get a complex.

California keeps digging that hole when they need to put the shovel down.
  
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Reply #204 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 5:25pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 4:57pm:
Why would you say that?

Better we look towards Venezuela.


Because California is now a model of the bad directions America is heading in. Trump or no Trump. America is on a downhill path, just like California or Venezuela. Maybe my intent in what I said was not clear or you mis-read.
  
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Reply #205 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 5:27pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 5:20pm:
I posted an article about California's, "Universal Basic Income" before SkyChief did, but it went ignored.
I answered. Just ask and I'll tell you again.
  
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Reply #206 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 5:28pm
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Because California is now a model of the bad directions America is heading in. Trump or no Trump. America is on a downhill path, just like California or Venezuela. Maybe my intent in what I said was not clear or you mis-read.
You are clear now, thanks.
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #207 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 5:29pm
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ahhell wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
As a former Californian, for the majority of my life, it has been getting worse for the last 20ish years.  Largely due to the disfunctional initiative system and irresponsible legislature under one party rule.   

They'd never have droughts if they charged appropriately for water, instead they ignore the cyclic nature of precipitation in the state wait for the drought and then brow beat and threaten folks into not bathing. 

They'd never have a budget problem if they didn't treat income taxes the same way.  A heavily progressive system means they are flush in a good economy and broke in a bad economy. 

They wast billions on the boondoggle of medium speed rail while ignoring existing infrastructure. 

Restrictive land use policy has resulted in >$100k/year being below the poverty line in cities that stink of urine and feces. 

So, basically the plan is to drive out the rich people with confiscatory taxation rates. Great idea!

I thought the new guy might answer you...
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #208 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 12:17pm
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A very dark day for Californians.

Not only is our legislature corrupt, we now have total corruption in our Supreme Court. 

The Supreme Court struck down the Cal-3 initiative [Prop 9] and removed it from the November ballot. 

Obviously it is unlawful, and will be appealed.

It's fairly obvious why the 6 Supreme Court justices shot down the Cal-3 Initiative --  JOB SECURITY.   They know very well that if the measure were to pass, these Justices would be out of a job.

How tragic that California's Supreme Court has fallen into this state of corruption.

It just might be time for a "reset".

“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.” - Thomas Jefferson
  
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Reply #209 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 12:31pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 12:17pm:
A very dark day for Californians.

Not only is our legislature corrupt, we now have total corruption in our Supreme Court. 

The Supreme Court struck down the Cal-3 initiative [Prop 9] and removed it from the November ballot. 

Obviously it is unlawful, and will be appealed.

It's so sad that our Courts have fallen to this state of corruption.

I just might be time for a "reset".

“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.” - Thomas Jefferson


It's howwibul!

I agree with TJ, it's time to go dig up your guns from your potato patches. The people will vote libertarian after the libertry tree is watered with some socialist blood!
  
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