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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #30 - Mar 15th, 2018 at 7:38pm
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I was replying to Don, Jeff.  So what the crappity smack are you talking about?
  
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Reply #31 - Mar 15th, 2018 at 7:42pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Mar 15th, 2018 at 7:38pm:
I was replying to Don, Jeff.  So what the crappity smack are you talking about?
Mostly how Donat lies and distorts reality, but I'm sorry you feel I have intruded on your private conversation with our dear Donat.

Please procede to interact with Donat on your own.
  
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Reply #32 - Mar 15th, 2018 at 9:55pm
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SkyChief wrote on Mar 15th, 2018 at 6:57pm:
(The following is not mine. I copied and pasted with the writer's blessing:)

This is an update today from Jeff Stone, Republican state senator, on the progressive Democrats’ continued destruction of California.

SB-1: increases your gas taxes by approximately 20 Cents, (Nov 1) and your vehicle license fees by an average of $100 (Jan 1st).

2. Passed Cap-n-Trade Tax which will increase gas 0.63 to 0.93 cents a gallon change and the taxes that go with it. So do the math projection.... (0.12 + 0.63 = 075/gallon + current $3.10/gallon = $3.85/gallon) We're already the costliest in the nation.

3.Proposed increase on a new tax every residence will pay for tap water!

4. A $3.46B parks bond to pay for parks in "disadvantaged communities", meaning Los Angeles. The debt service alone will be over $200 million a year.

5. Law to release any lifer (murder, rape , child molestation, etc.) who is 60 years old and has already spent 25 years in prison! Charles Manson would have qualified if he just waited a few months before dying; and the Melendez brothers that murdered their parents could be released in about 12 years? Victims?... What victims?

6. A new $ 50 charge on all residents living in a mobile home parks to address “living condition enforcement” in those parks? What the hell does that mean? As if having to live in a mobile home park isn’t bad enough? Why does the left embrace these regressive taxes on the poor?

7. We picked an official dinosaur for the State of California. Really??? Yes, Really!!!

8. Blackmail Tesla to either unionize with the United Auto Workers Union, or forfeit State incentives to buy their electric cars! Maybe political blackmail doesn’t count as breaking any law. Unions are loving it. “Watch out solar companies... They may be coming after you next!!!”

9. Reduce from a felony to a misdemeanor the purposeful intent to transmit the AIDS virus to a unknowing partner

10. Give preferential treatment to prisoners convicted of serious crimes that are less than 25 years old because their brains are not mature enough to understand right from wrong. Whaaat? If the brains of our kids don't mature until 25, why do we allow them to vote ?

11. A bill to require our true sex be omitted from drivers licenses? Whaaat?

12. Free legal services for illegal immigrants... Of course!

13. Establish safe "injection zones" run by government to oversee people injecting heroin!
You have to be kidding me? Yep, it passed!


This is progress or progressive in the true sense of the words. The few exceptions that don't seem to make sense are likely misstated by the right wingnut who wrote it up.

#'s 2, 3, 5, 8, 9, 10, 12, and 13 are especially demonstrations of social resonsibility on the part of California governement. People who value their privilege of living in California will gladly pay.

The rest should go live in some dustbowl hic town in the interior of the country.

#7 isn't even an issue; demonstrating the room temperature IQ of those who  get off by squealing like stuck pigs over progress.
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #33 - Mar 15th, 2018 at 10:02pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 15th, 2018 at 5:16pm:
If by that you mean that only liberal minded people have libertarian inclinations, you are absolutely correct.

If by "far left" you mean National and International Socialists... It's obvious they are lizard brained rather than liberal minded.


I mean you have more in common with rabid leftists than rabid rightists. Other than redistribution, which I admit is a huge issue, libertarianism and modern liberalism have a lot in common.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #34 - Mar 15th, 2018 at 10:10pm
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 15th, 2018 at 10:02pm:
I mean you have more in common with rabid leftists than rabid rightists. Other than redistribution, which I admit is a huge issue, libertarianism and modern liberalism have a lot in common.


You're right on that Oppo. He betrays his leftist bent quite often. He's more interested in getting attention than any political stand on anything.
  
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Reply #35 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:19am
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 15th, 2018 at 10:02pm:
Other than redistribution, which I admit is a huge issue, libertarianism and modern liberalism have a lot in common.
I'll give you the names of some well known modern libertarians if you give me the names of some well known modern "liberals". Then we can compare their theories of political economy and their choices of policy in a variety of areas.

You may go first... 
  
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Reply #36 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:26am
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He betrays his leftist bent quite often.
Because I'm liberal minded, I call myself a classical liberal, and I, like them, believe in a limited government that protects individual rights equally under law and allows people to be free to order their own lives.

"Leftists", unless they have become something other than collectivists and communists, believe that a powerful unlimited government is needed to create a "socialist system" that will magically allow people to be the pure communists that "leftists" believe everyone naturally is at birth, at which point government will wither away and disappear. Cheesy
  
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Reply #37 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 11:27pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 7:19am:
I'll give you the names of some well known modern libertarians if you give me the names of some well known modern "liberals". Then we can compare their theories of political economy and their choices of policy in a variety of areas.

You may go first... 


A better way to tackle the issue would be for you to explain how you think modern liberal policies differ from libertarian ones.

And you did in your next post. All of that was redistribution. Leftists also believe in unlimited social freedom, just like you do. They often define some as having less or no rights, just like you do. They want open borders, just like the libertarian party website says.

People on the right want equality (even for whites) and border protection.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #38 - Mar 17th, 2018 at 7:56am
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 11:27pm:
A better way to tackle the issue would be for you to explain how you think modern liberal policies differ from libertarian ones.

I'd be happy to if you'll first tell me what you mean by "modern liberal policies" and give me at least one example of a person who advocates for "modern liberal policies".

Would this be a good example?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-credit/china-to-bar-people-with-bad-soc...
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #39 - Mar 17th, 2018 at 2:46pm
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I think this is what Oppo is referring to regarding "modern liberal policy":

Distribution of wealth (by force):

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Then when the country (government) collects taxes from that business, that money isn't the government's money to keep. It's money that must be distributed to the people for the greater good. Thos people don't get free money, they get money that's due to them as citizens of the country.


^  ^  ^  This is a common misconception held by many "modern" liberals.  They believe that government's function is to distribute wealth from the productive to the non-productive.

They think that by just being a citizen, it means a person is entitled to take (a portion of) another person's wealth.

As disgusting as the notion is, it is quite common among modern liberals. 

Of course, libertarianism is exactly the opposite.  Self ownership means that an individual has full claim to his/her wealth/property/earnings. The government has no claim to an individual's wealth.
  
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