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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #310 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 11:25am
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 11:17am:
California is now the 5th largest economy in the world.  Bigger than Canada, France, and UK. 

Our state government is ginormous.  Highly centralized and insanely powerful.

All laws coming out of Sacramento are designed to hurt Californians.

We need to lower taxes - austerity with welfare and handouts, and (as you said) this will mean fewer votes from Democrats.

This was the impetus for splitting up state into 3 smaller states.  A plan which Democrats torpedoed in order to keep it off November's ballot.

They [California lawmakers] want us voters/taxpayers to fear them.  And we do, mostly!  Shocked


The ignorance of people who talk about "the will of the people" being expressed through their elected representative stuns me.

  

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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #311 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:00pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 11:25am:
The ignorance of people who talk about "the will of the people" being expressed through their elected representative stuns me.


“No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session.”  - Gideon J. Tucker

"It is impossible to introduce into society a greater change and a greater evil than this: the conversion of the law into an instrument of plunder." -  Frédéric Bastiat
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #312 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 6:30pm
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Kalifornia is an experiment that other states can emulate or reject.

Unfortunately, legislators and bureaucrats in other states see how rich the rulers of Kalifornia are getting, and want to emulate them. Angry
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #313 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 7:12pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 26th, 2018 at 6:30pm:
Kalifornia is an experiment that other states can emulate or reject.

Unfortunately, legislators and bureaucrats in other states see how rich the rulers of Kalifornia are getting, and want to emulate them. Angry

Agree somewhat. 

But California is unique in the respect with our size and uber-powerful centralized government.  California is the largest GDP in the US.

Also, California legislators have an artificially high power and influence due to the lack of political opposition.

There are small enclaves of Republican voters where GOP candidates have a good chance of winning local elections, but the greater majority of counties consistently vote Democrat.

California voters have developed a tolerance to erosion of liberty and freedoms.  It's gotten to the point where we kinda expect it.   We presume that any new laws from Sacramento are for the purpose of government expansion - not to improve life for Californians.
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #314 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 7:14pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 26th, 2018 at 7:12pm:
Agree somewhat. 

But California is unique in the respect with our size and uber-powerful centralized government. 

California legislators have an artificially high power and influence due to the lack of political opposition.



Size doesn't matter, it's one Party centralized government that causes the problems.
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #315 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 7:16pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 26th, 2018 at 7:12pm:
California voters have developed a tolerance to erosion of liberty and freedoms.  It's gotten to the point where we kinda expect it.   We know that new laws from Sacramento are for the purpose of government expansion - not to improve life for Californians.
Lots of people are leaving, but why would anyone expect government to improve their life?
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #316 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 7:18pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 26th, 2018 at 7:16pm:
Lots of people are leaving, but why would anyone expect government to improve their life?

Government should protect constitutional liberties. 

This hasn't happened in California since the 1980s.
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #317 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 12:08pm
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We have a ballot measure to lower the Gasoline Tax. (Prop 6 repeals the Road Repair and Accountability Act)

It will not pass.  For some odd reason, Californians fear Tax cuts.   Undecided

California currently has the 2nd highest gasoline tax in the country (Pennsylvania is #1)

Obviously the high Gasoline Tax really hurts the lower-income people, so why do the limousine liberals always vote to keep Taxes high?

Makes no sense.  Dems could help these people by reducing their Gasoline Tax burden - by voting YES on Prop 6.
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #318 - Nov 7th, 2018 at 5:33pm
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Another devastating day for Californians.

All bond measures passed.

All tax increases passed. Including the Gasoline Tax.

A couple good things happened, though.

Prop 10, which would have granted local governments new powers to enact rent control, did NOT pass.  In fact, it was soundly rejected by 63% of voters.

*phew* 

And Californians voted to liberate themselves from "daylight savings" time.
Prop 7 gave California lawmakers the power to opt out of federally mandated "daylight savings" time.
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #319 - Nov 7th, 2018 at 9:59pm
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Best to live in a place parasites won't invade.

There are no botflies in Alaska. Interestingly enough, it's one of the freer states, too.

http://truthinmedia.com/study-us-states-ranked-by-freedom/

I think I've solved the problem of paradise.

Do not live in one.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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