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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #390 - May 4th, 2019 at 5:06pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 1:23pm:
Secession from California has been tried five times. Failed.

Last year we had a ballot measure (PROP 9) that would let voters decide if California should be split up into smaller, more manageable states.

Corrupt lawmakers in Sacramento don’t want to learn how many people don’t like the way California is being governed.

So they did exactly what any other corrupt body of legislators would do:

They yanked PROP 9 off the ballot!!   

I don't think it counts as a "try" when the elites refuse to put in on the ballot.

They have the worst sort of elites in Kalifornia, the one's that say they are good socialists, progressive socialists, so progressive they sound just like communists if you listen closely. Cry Cry Cry

Nobody learns. I'm glad I'm old.
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #391 - May 6th, 2019 at 10:03am
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SkyChief wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 1:23pm:
So they went to the California Supreme Court and plead for them to find "legal" reason to yank PROP 9.

Here's the Court's "legal" reason for yanking PROP 9:

"because significant questions have been raised regarding the proposition’s validity and because we conclude that the potential harm in permitting the measure to remain on the ballot outweighs the potential harm in delaying the proposition to a future election."

Yes, it's laughable.  It's this nonsense that makes Californians want to flee to better states.
Especially laughable if you know the kind of shit that routinely ends up on the CA ballot.   The "Bullet Train" Comes to mind.
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #392 - May 6th, 2019 at 10:29am
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ahhell wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 9:44am:
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-population-growth-20190501-story.ht...

Short version, there aren't enough poor latino immigrants to make up for losses in natives leaving the state. Asian immigrants are older and better educated so they have fewer kids.  Old people are staying because they already own their homes and the state is very generous to them.  Young folks are leaving because the above means there aren't any houses for them and taxes are diving them out.


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Myers said the housing crunch makes it harder for younger residents to lay down roots and have children. That is especially concerning as California’s senior population continues to grow at a fast pace. The state faces numerous budget and policy concerns as those older than 65 make up a larger and larger share of the population.


It's as I've always said. People can't afford to have kids.

This is a problem with capitalism. Prosperity means competition, and people who have less kids can undercut those who have more. This is why Asians are prosperous: They don't have kids until they can afford them.

Unfortunately this leads to population decline. If we had closed borders this would be the ideal outcome and capitalism would just drop the population to whatever was sustainable. If people can't have kids, the population goes down - population bust - and the demand for labour goes up. This would continue until people could comfortably afford to self-replace.

Capitalism plus open borders, despite being the only moral option, is a death sentence for the native population and anyone who wants to have only a sustainable amount of children. Other nations' poor will come in and compete for jobs, so that the population bust and subsequent natural wage increase never happen.

I take comfort in the fact that Mexicans aren't suicidal in the pursuit of perfect morality. When the current native population dies, we will have closed borders. The new population won't tolerate being replaced.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #393 - May 16th, 2019 at 8:45am
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AlayneLeung wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 1:19pm:
After I replied on Feb 20th, 2019 at 5:48pm on page 36:


kaz replied Reply #355 - Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:18pm on page 36:


Hi kaz, the "Thumbs down" events that have caused the USA to being currently nonable to have funding for the making of more water purification facilities are: 1 the USA is in debt at least twenty trillion dollars or more; 2, the USA currently has no more gold to pay off that debt; 3, the USA currently is perhaps spending more millions (if not billions) of dollars for more nuclear weapons; 4, the USA is spending billions of dollars treating illegal narcotics chemically addicted persons that didn't have either the education or knowledge or willpower or desire to "Just Say No" year(s) ago; 5, the USA has allowed proprietary copyright(s) and trademark(s) and wordmark(s) and servicemark(s) and invention(s) and modification(s) to be provided to person(s) or small number(s) of person(s) in exchange for said person(s) paying small registration fee(s) or small search fee(s) that those said person(s) have had to pay said fees to USA Gov't Copyright Office and Patent and Trademark Office for registration(s) or search(es) that perhaps take month(s) or year(s) to complete; and 6, perhaps one or more petroleum industries or perhaps one or more fossil fuel industries or perhaps one or more coal industries prevented or threatened person(s) that invented or tried to invent renewable or reusable form(s) of electricity, because if those form(s) of reusable or renewable electricity were invented, then people could've saved more money to donate or obligatorily invest in USA Treasury for more water purification facilities; 7, one or more pharmaceutical industries perhaps haven't been paying high amounts of money to USA Treasury; 8, one or more (electronic) caller(s) sometimes from nonUSA location(s) get money from USA person(s); 9, wrong action(s) or wrong comment(s) made by political party leader(s) or by government personnel that have caused individual(s) or group(s) or friend(s) or family member(s) or other person(s) to be distressed to the point(s) of bad health problem(s) or death(s) including via suicide(s) ; 10, many nonviolent criminals are in jail(s) or detention center(s) or prison(s) for (somewhat)frivolous conviction(s) ; 11, numerous illegalization(s) of (theoretical) consentual nonbriberious noncoercive nonblackmailish totally safe and totally secure prostitution service(s) including theoretical version(s) that could theoretically be provided by indigo "child(ren)" prevent money from going to USA Treasury; 12, numerous lacking(s) of more proportional fining(s) of person(s) that do bad driving(s) ; 13, incompetent or inept or corrupt or decadent or mean government personnel that haven't been discontinued from government job(s) said personnel are currently employed at ; 14, perhaps media(s) , have been broadcasting subliminal message(s) to get person(s) chemically addicted; 15, bank(s), in the USA, perhaps haven't been paying high amount(s) of money to USA Treasury?


Water purification plants would be local, not Federal.  And they would be funded by your water bill, like all other water.  This has nothing to do with it
  

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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #394 - May 17th, 2019 at 11:47am
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Dems are hopping mad.

Trump pulled $1 billion in fed money for California's "Train-To-Nowhere" boondoggle project.

Dems were counting on it for crony deals.   And now Trump dashed all those hopes.   Cry

Poop-for-brains Governor Newsom said:

"The action is illegal and a direct assault on California.  This is California's money, appropriated by Congress, and we will vigorously defend it in court."

Smiley

Currenlty, the state has only about $20 billion available for the project - far short of the estimated $77 billion it would take to complete the project.  Many have said it will likely go over-budget, and would likely cost taxpayers over $100 Billion by the time the dust settles.

"Losing a billion is, I would say, devastating to the overall project." said Russ Fong, the project's CFO.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-administration-pulls-1-billion-califo...
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #395 - May 17th, 2019 at 1:10pm
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That's funny.  Newsom recently put a stop to most of the project himself. 

And how is losing 1% of the projects projected costs, devastating?  Granted, since Newsom stopped all but the most useless but least expensive portion, 1 billion is significantly more than 1% but is approximately 1% of the projected cost of the whole thing, which would actually be more.   


Keep in mind, it was originally suppose to cost 35billion, unless you talked to independent estimates which always put it at closer to 100 billion.
  
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Reply #396 - May 17th, 2019 at 3:44pm
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ahhell wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 1:10pm:
That's funny.  Newsom recently put a stop to most of the project himself. 

And how is losing 1% of the projects projected costs, devastating?  Granted, since Newsom stopped all but the most useless but least expensive portion, 1 billion is significantly more than 1% but is approximately 1% of the projected cost of the whole thing, which would actually be more.   


Keep in mind, it was originally suppose to cost 35billion, unless you talked to independent estimates which always put it at closer to 100 billion.


Only government could ever operate that way.  Can you imagine a company that tripled it's budget for a project to $100 billion?  Yet politicians spend the money like they aren't the ones who earned it!
  

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Reply #397 - May 17th, 2019 at 5:10pm
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kaz wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 3:44pm:
Only government could ever operate that way.  Can you imagine a company that tripled it's budget for a project to $100 billion?  Yet politicians spend the money like they aren't the ones who earned it!

The bullshit train is worse than most.  The original official estimate as about 30 million, at the same time independent estimates were 90+.  Then within months of the initiative passing, the official estimate was tripled.  That was just straight up fraud.  It still amazes me how little attention that got or gets.   

The system was always a fraud.

Another analogy, its like hiring a contractor to re roof your house the finding out he's just mopping the roof with black paint and saying, "Well now we're only going to have you do the garage."
  
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Re: The Fall Of California - A Paradise Lost
Reply #398 - May 17th, 2019 at 6:21pm
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ahhell wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 5:10pm:
The bullshit train is worse than most.  The original official estimate as about 30 million, at the same time independent estimates were 90+.  Then within months of the initiative passing, the official estimate was tripled.  That was just straight up fraud.  It still amazes me how little attention that got or gets.   

The system was always a fraud.

Another analogy, its like hiring a contractor to re roof your house the finding out he's just mopping the roof with black paint and saying, "Well now we're only going to have you do the garage."
How much extra will it cost to do the garage?
  
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Reply #399 - May 18th, 2019 at 8:13am
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I like the part where it says:

"The feds are also still seriously considering trying to force California to pay back $2.5 billion of federal funds that have already been spent."

https://reason.com/2019/05/17/federal-funding-for-california-bullet-train-boondo...
  
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