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Don_G
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50 Reasons Pseudo-Libertarians are Crazy.
Mar 11th, 2018 at 3:13pm
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http://progressiveslogans.blogspot.ca/2011/08/50-reasons-libertarians-are-crazy....

It's just the perfect list that tells why Pseudo-libertarianism is being pushed on this forum. None of the 50 could be said to represent 'real' libertarians.

Real libertarians are 'socially responsible capitalists' and represent the only hope for the cause. This list provides some real direction on how the LP can do that.

Sadly though, it represents the beliefs of most of the wingnuts on this board.
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:35pm
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The list is cutting, but mostly fair.

There are a few objections.

39 • abolish/limit medical malpractice suits... caveat emptor

6 • abolish all licensing: ie if you want to be a doctor or lawyer run over to kinko's and have some business cards made up --- laissez faire suckers

Objection 1 - Libertarians don't want this. They love the civil lawsuit system and Rothbard says he wants it to handle everything, including what is currently handled by criminal law. There will be more of this being handled by the tort system rather than less.

And if the jury decides (which they are likely to) that having a license makes you golden? Well then, we can disregard 6 as well. While unlicensed doctors will technically be allowed to practice, one person doesn't get better and that quack will be sued out of existence.

Your medical licensing and civil lawsuit systems stay much as they are, because of point 28:

• make the poor, sick, & disabled depend on charity instead of the resources of the state... DIE BABY DIE

...Because the poor people saved by cheap unlicensed care in a libertarian system will be the ones suing their unlicensed doctors... so they can be not poor.

Objection 2 - It's not 50 reasons. Points 4, 9, and 21 are the same.

• abolish laws against dog & thingy fighting... just animate property killing each other

• abolish animal cruelty laws... animal fighting is an economic preference stop the social engineering

• abolish animal cruelty laws... rich women in stilleto's stepping on little mice for the hell of it, now that's cool

Objection 3 - Voluntary slavery is not supported by all libertarians.

• legalize voluntary slavery... it's already called 9 to 5

Some libertarians believe that self-ownership is inviolable, and that you can't sell yourself. While I question this because it would make the self not property, there's no law that says libertarians have to be consistent. Some believe that the self is property, but is unable to be sold.

Objection 4, point 42:

• pre-emptive killing of as much as 40% of islamic peoples... and make the rest objectivists

Libertarians don't believe this. Preemption on that scale is no part of legitimate self-defence. Libertarians believe in abolishing the military because it's funded through theft and it's aggressive by nature. I have no idea where the author could possible be getting this, but purist libertarians oppose all military action because it's all aggressive.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #2 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:38pm
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:35pm:
The list is cutting, but mostly fair.

There are a few objections.

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Reply #3 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:43pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:38pm:
fooch


Perhaps I should delete my post and leave you with nobody to "fooch" because you don't have the wherewithal to attack the actual article. You wouldn't dare, because you'd just make yourself look stupid.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #4 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:46pm
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 5:43pm:
Perhaps I should delete my post and leave you with nobody to "fooch" because you don't have the wherewithal to attack the actual article. You wouldn't dare, because you'd just make yourself look stupid.
I'm stupid in your eyes anyway, just like every other human.

That's your problem.

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Reply #5 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 6:00pm
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Hey, I passed the libertarian quiz, so I'm a real libertarian.
https://www.cato.org/libertarianmind/libertarian-quiz

Don doesn't get to decide what a real libertarian is.  In fact, anyone know what Don really is?
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 6:09pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 6:00pm:
Don doesn't get to decide what a real libertarian is.  In fact, anyone know what Don really is?
Putin's paid sock puppet is my best guess...

Check in on the 'off topic' forum frequently, because Donat is just about to expose itself there out of a sense of "social responsibility and social justice". Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley

Be aware Ruby, he might expose you next...
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 11th, 2018 at 6:20pm
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Donat, people who pretend to value individual rights and individual liberty are evil crappity smacks like you who in actuality hate individual liberty.

So what. Only an idiot minority support your propositions, that we will be better off if we allow governments to rule over us.
  
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Jeff wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 6:20pm:
Donat, people who pretend to value individual rights and individual liberty are evil crappity smacks like you who in actuality hate individual liberty.

So what. Only an idiot minority support your propositions, that we will be better off if we allow governments to rule over us.


Better than half your country support what I support in politics.  I would say that less than 5% support batshit crazed libertarian nonsense but that wouldn't include you.

You oppose whatever another person you're talking to supports. It's the best way you've found to keep a person talking to you.

Then when everybody gets tired of you, you just serial post to yourself. Pretty sad Craig, have you ever considered suicide?
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 12:09am
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50 reasons (some) non-libertarians are super-smart:

1. Make a list of 57 straw men and call it "50 Reasons Libertarians Are Crazy" ... Hey man, they're just words and numbers!   What's with you Libertarians and "truth," anyway?
2. Support Legalized Aggression by an elite against the rest of the population ... Otherwise, how would we be protected against aggressors?  And anyway, 20% of the population voted for it, so that makes it okay.
3. Tell us "Corporations are vultures" and government regulation will keep them at bay ... because of course, government is immune from corruption and only has the best interests of the citizen at heart!
4. Ethanol in your gasoline is good for the environment ... (we won't mention the engine repair industry and the farmer's lobby and the energy lobby).
5. Welfare state helps the poor ... we love the poor so much that we never want them to leave.  We love single mothers, too.
6. Foreign Aid helps the poor in foreign countries ... Subsidize despotism and tyranny!
7. Put drug addicts in jail ... That should really get those sickos on the right path in life.
8. Put prostitutes in jail ... That should really get those degenerates on the right path in life.
9. Subsidize the electric car industry ... Because Elon Musk needs that money more than you do.
10. Lock up the mentally ill and call it "treatment" ... they're so stupid, they don't care about "due process" anyway.
11. Communism rocks ... just look what it's done for the overpopulation problem.
12. Ban guns ... because it's better to need a gun and not have it than to have a gun and not need it...right?
13. Ban guns ... the criminals will obviously comply with the law in this case.
14. Central banking and inflation ... because "no taxation without representation" is so pre-1913.
15. Taxation ... because, obviously, "who would pave the roads?!"
16. Regulation ... Because successful business owners are stupid and evil and government bureaucrats are wise and benevolent.
17. Eminent Domain ...and you thought you owned that property?  Sucker!  Now get back to work and don't forget to vote.
18. Food and Drug Administration ... without us, you might get Thalidomide babies!  Oh, wait...
19. Farm subsidies ... Pillage in the name of Tillage.
20. Bank bailouts ... we can't let the market punish bad judgment, now can we?  Besides, legislators dig those kickbacks.
21. Auto tariffs ... anyone who sells better, less expensive cars than US is obviously cheating anyway, so let's punish the consumer - makes sense, right?
22. Border bureaucrats ... Hey, opening your packages is a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it.
23. Taxation is voluntary ... and IRS stands for "I Respect your Sovereignty".
24. Democracy ... You don't have to "fool all the people all of the time" - just 20%.
25. MKUltra ... Nobody does illegal mind control and torture on innocent unsuspecting citizens better than the CIA!  YEAH BABY!
26. Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Go big or go home, pussies.
27. Forced segregation ... It's the will of the people...some of the people, anyway, but not those "3/5ths" persons.
28. Forced integration ... Whoops, changed our minds.
29. Immigrants on welfare ... Import-A-Vote - such a time saver!
30. Public education ... Thank Marx for The Communist Manifesto.
31. Victimless crime ... Because there's nothing like a criminal record to boost the employment rate.
32. Minimum wage laws ... Because unions hate competition from cheap labor and politicians love the political donations.
33. Tasers ... Serving And Protecting just got a lot more fun!
34. Road Monopolies ... It's Our Way or The Highway, we like to say.
35. Medical regulation ... Competition just won't work in the medical industry, so that's why we have to outlaw it.
36. Medical insurance ... Because citizens just can't afford that over-priced free market medical system we have.
37. Media subsidies ... Hey, can't have those guys saying the wrong things, now can we?
38. Slavery ... They never had it so good.
39. Civil War ... "To end slavery".  Also a great opportunity to increase central control, which was cool.
40. Weapons Of Mass Destruction ... Whoops... hey don't blame us, we had the wrong information.
41. Waco ... Hey, if they hadn't let their kids smoke cigarettes, that fire never would have started.
42. Homosexuals are "mentally ill" ... whoops, changed our minds.
43. Homosexuals are "perverts" ... whoops, changed our minds.
44. Transgenderism is "healthy" ... There, satisfied now?
45. 9/11 ... Without the government protecting us, we'd be vulnerable to attack.
46. Radio Bikini ... Hey, those stupid natives didn't need that island, anyway.
47. Assassination of Fred Hampton ... Police lives were being threatened by a sleeping black man.
Police Lives Matter!
48. Watergate/Monica Lewinsky/Iran-Contra et al ... Politics is so boring without an occasional scandal, don't you find?
49. Great Depression ... People are starving, so let's pour milk down sewers to help raise the price of milk.
50. Ridicule of Libertarians ... What's with that "non-aggression" thing, anyway?  That's just batshit crazy.
  
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