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Re: 50 Reasons Pseudo-Libertarians are Crazy.
Reply #50 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:09pm
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MMMark wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
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...but I'm not claiming that mine is a list of "positions of non-libertarians."

All I've done is to list 50 actual, historical results of non-libertarianism - in practice.

Nonsense. ahhell described the list accurately as common strawmen erected by "progressives" to "prove" that individual liberty and individual rights should be denied.

You're looping off into incoherence.
  
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Reply #51 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:26pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 7:52pm:
I've posted dozens of links to antiwar.com...

https://www.google.com/search?q=antiwar%2Bdon_g+site%3Alibertariansforum.com

This claim seems to be true.



Sicklers Dink wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:05pm:
Right now the conversation is on the list I posted and how it's illustrative of libertarian positions which have been stated on this forum by the pseudo-libertarians. ...I've chosen licenesing as the item to address.

Here is where you are not making sense.

If you'd like to address licensing, then just start a topic - no need whatsoever to link to some silly list.

But, you haven't done that.  Why not?
  
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Re: 50 Reasons Pseudo-Libertarians are Crazy.
Reply #52 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:27pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:09pm:
Nonsense. ahhell described the list accurately as common strawmen erected by "progressives" to "prove" that individual liberty and individual rights should be denied.

You're looping off into incoherence.


It's you sweet ass that's becoming incoherent. You've confused two different lists.
  
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Re: 50 Reasons Pseudo-Libertarians are Crazy.
Reply #53 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:33pm
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MMMark wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:26pm:
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https://www.google.com/search?q=antiwar%2Bdon_g+site%3Alibertariansforum.com

This claim seems to be true.



Here is where you are not making sense.

If you'd like to address licensing, then just start a topic - no need whatsoever to link to some silly list.

But, you haven't done that.  Why not?


The reason why I didn't choose to link to something else is because you have been answering to the discussion on the list. And in fact that's the topic of this thread.

We can just abandon this thread now if you like. It's not for me to make a unilateral decision to do that, and especially when it was serving a purpose.

If the topic is the one you favour then we can start a discussion on licensing/not licensing as it pertains to libertarian ideals.
  
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Reply #54 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:37pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:09pm:
Nonsense. ahhell described the list ...

I suppose what I wrote could be considered "nonsense" if "the list" to which I was referring  is the one you mention, above...but I was referring to this list.
  
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Reply #55 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:40pm
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MMMark wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:37pm:
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I suppose what I wrote could be considered "nonsense" if "the list" to which I was referring  is the one you mention, above...but I was referring to this list.

You're about to know that asshole by his reply.

or

He'll bite his tongue and tone it back because of him being forewarned by this reply.

Anyway, you got him cold turkey again!
  
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Reply #56 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 9:02pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 8:33pm:
The reason why I didn't choose to link to something else is because you have been answering to the discussion on the list. And in fact that's the topic of this thread.

We can just abandon this thread now if you like. It's not for me to make a unilateral decision to do that, and especially when it was serving a purpose.

My thoughts on licensing are the same as my thoughts on socialism, communism, social-responsibility, et al:
I'm not opposed...provided that you don't force anyone to join your club or monopoly, or punish anyone for refusing to join.

If someone offering medical services wants to be certified by the prestigious Don_G Institute of Medical Accreditation, he must pass muster.  If you care about your Institute's reputation, you'll set the bar high.

What follows is excerpted from
Medicine and The State: A Humanist Interview
Paul Kurtz interviews Thomas Szasz


Kurtz: Your point, then, is that the state should not license doctors.
Szasz: Certainly not.  The licensing of doctors is the symbol of what I am talking about.  It's as if the state would license Catholic priests for the ministry - and would prohibit all other clergymen to practice religion because they are quacks.
Kurtz: But then who should do the licensing?
Szasz: There should be no licensing.
Kurtz: No licensing?  Anyone could practice medicine?
Szasz: Of course.
Kurtz: But how would you protect the public?  What about the quacks?
Szasz: Professor Kurtz, the idea that licensing doctors protects the public is one of the most uncritically accepted falsehoods of our day.
Kurtz: What do you mean?
Szasz: Well, suppose a professor of medicine or surgery at the University of London were to come to New York; could he practice medicine?  Or suppose a professor of medicine or surgery at Harvard - or the State University of New York - were to move to Miami because it's warmer there; could he practice there?
Kurtz: No, not without first passing the state medical-board examinations.
Szasz: Exactly.  And that is to protect the public?  Hardly.  I grant, of course, that licensure examinations may, inter alia also protect the public.  But I insist that their first and foremost function is to protect physicians, the medical profession, from too much competition.  In short, medical licensure is a method for preserving a closed union shop for physicians - for maintaining an artificial shortage of doctors.  And the whole thing has been successfully palmed off on the American public as something done for its protection.
  
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Re: 50 Reasons Pseudo-Libertarians are Crazy.
Reply #57 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 10:07pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 7:35pm:
Why? You want to burn practical midwives and traditional healers as Witches?


I said I did NOT want mandatory licensing and you said this:

Jeff wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 6:13pm:
The Opposition wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 6:10pm:
For example, it's not very nice to stop an unlicensed doctor from providing substandard care to a patient for whom he is the only hope. You're just mandating that the patient die, then.

fooch

Edit: Coward. Dishonest evasive coward. Not my problem, but it might be why your Mother tried to kill you.


So I changed my position and said fine to mandatory licensing.

You want me to change my position again? I will.
  

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Re: 50 Reasons Pseudo-Libertarians are Crazy.
Reply #58 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 12:34am
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MMMark wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 9:02pm:
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My thoughts on licensing are the same as my thoughts on socialism, communism, social-responsibility, et al:
I'm not opposed...provided that you don't force anyone to join your club or monopoly, or punish anyone for refusing to join.


I would consider it punishment to not allow a doctor who is not licensed to practice medicine. If you agree then we have concluded the conversation.

We have established that the item on my llist of 50 is indeed a political priority of pseudo-libertarians. Or libertarians if you choose to call yourself one.

Would you like to test another issue from my list? You can choose the issure if you like or I'll choose it. We can deal with all 50 if you like.

All you have to keep in mind is that it's my job to show that the issues raised are indeed stated libertarian political priorities. I think your mission was/is to prove that they aren't?
  
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Re: 50 Reasons Pseudo-Libertarians are Crazy.
Reply #59 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 12:38am
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 10:07pm:
I said I did NOT want mandatory licensing and you said this:

fooch

Edit: Coward. Dishonest evasive coward. Not my problem, but it might be why your Mother tried to kill you.


So I changed my position and said fine to mandatory licensing.

You want me to change my position again? I will.
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In your attempt to become accepted as someone with something worthwhile to say, you have hit on some pretty revealing truths about the pseudo-libertarian nonsense that's being spewed on this board. I hope you won't return to the dark side for at least a day or two.

Jeff (Craig) isn't interested in going head to head with you, he only interested in getting attention. He's in the dunce class along with the Chief, therm, and Alayne.

You'll get your ass kicked right back there if you don't behave.
  
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