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How come other developed countries don't have frequent mass shootings?
Mar 12th, 2018 at 10:17pm
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Japan never has them.

The UK never has them, although they have had a recent increase in bombings and truck attacks, etc.

Why is it us?
  
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Re: How come other developed countries don't have frequent mass shootings?
Reply #1 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 11:39pm
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Japan is an unusually homogenous country. The have very strict naturalization and immigration policy.  So they dont have racial or multi-cultural problems like the US, which is arguably the the most racially/culturally diverse country in the world. 

UK has had a spate of bombings and truck attacks, and it's pretty clear who is responsible for those.  *cough*
  
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Re: How come other developed countries don't have frequent mass shootings?
Reply #2 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 12:22am
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I don't think the U.S. is portrayed fairly in the international gun debate. We have a War on Drugs here that I'm sure largely contributes to most homicides. I'm sure there are many other factors.

I looked at tactics Germany implemented as a result of one mass shooting in the country, such tactics included "random inspections in gun-owner homes to ensure requirements for locked gun storage were met". Quite chilling.
  
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Re: How come other developed countries don't have frequent mass shootings?
Reply #3 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 9:07am
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DontTread44 wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 12:22am:
I don't think the U.S. is portrayed fairly in the international gun debate. We have a War on Drugs here that I'm sure largely contributes to most homicides. I'm sure there are many other factors.

I looked at tactics Germany implemented as a result of one mass shooting in the country, such tactics included "random inspections in gun-owner homes to ensure requirements for locked gun storage were met". Quite chilling.

There you go.  Along with less issues with a lack of cultural cohesiveness, other countries have enacted my more intrusive control measures.

A note on Japan, not only are they Uniquely homogeneous culture, they are also an island that has had strict gun control since the 17th or 16th century.  Makes it a bit easier to control guns.

Part of the issue is access to guns, we have a lot in the US and its not that hard to get one. 

Other countries also have a some sort of war on drugs, mass shootings are generally unrelated to it.  There is an increase in violence and crime associated with drug prohibition but its the daily killing of individuals, not the occasional spree killing.  Granted, that is the lareger proportion of murder in the US, mass shootings are still relatively uncommon and stopping all of them would hardly impact murder rates.
  
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Re: How come other developed countries don't have frequent mass shootings?
Reply #4 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 9:33am
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It's due to a set of factors unique to the U.S.

-The ease of purchasing a firearm, including civilian versions of military rifles along with the fact that many of those firearms are accessible to teenagers in homes where adults have bought them.

-Two traits of which every mass shooter has had at least one:  Radical Islamic beliefs and/or mood altering behavioral medications.

-The designation of certain areas as "Gun Free Zones" with no effort made to actually keep guns out of them.  The law-abiding do not carry guns into a gun free zone, but a mass shooter has no such scruples and knows that no one but himself will have a firearm in that area.

Libertarians don't like to talk about the first factor, but it is foolish to deny it.  Freedom does not equal perfection.  Of course there will be more shootings in a nation in which citizens are allowed to own and carry firearms.  If the government bans guns and confiscates existing guns, there would be fewer mass shootings and those would be done by police officers, soldiers or others that the government allows to bear arms.  The question is whether we are willing to trade that freedom for safety. 

That's assuming that at this point the government even could take away all those millions of guns from millions of Americans.  Most likely it would be no more successful than it was during prohibition. 



  

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Re: How come other developed countries don't have frequent mass shootings?
Reply #5 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 9:36am
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DontTread44 wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
Japan never has them.

The UK never has them, although they have had a recent increase in bombings and truck attacks, etc.

Why is it us?
Because we support Israel in the face of radical Islam's desire to annihilate Jews?
Because we have a long history of opposing National Socialists and World Socialists?
Maybe because the idea of America, where the people are Sovereign and the government a servant, still flickers to frighten tyrants?
Recently, because the people who are supposed to protect our children have an agenda that is served by having children shot, and the people who are supposed to teach our children won't teach them individual responsibility and respect for the rights of others... They prefer telling all the children they are "winners" (even when the children know they are not) and giving them psycho-active drugs.


  
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Re: How come other developed countries don't have frequent mass shootings?
Reply #6 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 1:48pm
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ahhell wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 9:07am:
There you go.  Along with less issues with a lack of cultural cohesiveness, other countries have enacted my more intrusive control measures.


You should have spelt out what that is. It's mainly your idea that handguns be banned.

That's probably at least 75% of the reason why those other countries don't have nearly as many shootings.

I'll submit that, all the other phony excuses aside, the other 20% can be attributed to allowing assault rifles and the attitude of Americans. Constant warmaking in foreign countries has to play a part in the making of American attitudes of promoting the use of their guns to settle scores.

The other 5%, I'm leaving for the numerous excuses the others will come up with.

I think you can still be a good libertarian with your attitude toward handguns. Better in fact, because you are indirectly respecting the rights of all the people.


  
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Re: How come other developed countries don't have frequent mass shootings?
Reply #7 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 5:28pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 9:33am:
It's due to a set of factors unique to the U.S.

-The ease of purchasing a firearm, including civilian versions of military rifles along with the fact that many of those firearms are accessible to teenagers in homes where adults have bought them.

-Two traits of which every mass shooter has had at least one:  Radical Islamic beliefs and/or mood altering behavioral medications.

-The designation of certain areas as "Gun Free Zones" with no effort made to actually keep guns out of them.  The law-abiding do not carry guns into a gun free zone, but a mass shooter has no such scruples and knows that no one but himself will have a firearm in that area.

For this you are exactly right.

I much rather prefer the approach Walmart and Dick's have taken than I would if the national government actually put action towards it. We need to come up with a way to drastically reduce the frequency of public shootings that doesn't punish peaceful gun owners.
  
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Re: How come other developed countries don't have frequent mass shootings?
Reply #8 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 5:37pm
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DontTread44 wrote on Mar 13th, 2018 at 5:28pm:
I much rather prefer the approach Walmart and Dick's have taken than I would if the national government actually put action towards it. We need to come up with a way to drastically reduce the frequency of public shootings that doesn't punish peaceful gun owners.
Frightening private businesses into making it hard to buy guns and ammunition is what is being done.

The usurped general power to control the economy scares businesses.

If it comes down to "Stop selling guns or be "regulated" into bankruptcy"... Walmart will stop selling guns and ammunition.

Is that a free choice?

More than ever, I am convinced, traitors and the people who aid and abet them must be indicted by juries. The States must call a Convention.
  
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