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Western Democracy a Hoax?
Mar 27th, 2018 at 5:55am
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Read the last paragraph in this article to help you decide:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/03/paul-craig-roberts/integrity-has-vanished-fr...
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 27th, 2018 at 6:31am
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Tom Palven wrote on Mar 27th, 2018 at 5:55am:
Read the last paragraph in this article to help you decide:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/03/paul-craig-roberts/integrity-has-vanished-fr...


What?  The whole thing needs to be read, and re-read.  A hundred times. 

By everyone.
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 27th, 2018 at 1:43pm
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merkelstan wrote on Mar 27th, 2018 at 6:31am:
What?  The whole thing needs to be read, and re-read.  A hundred times. 

By everyone.


The American people are propagandized and gullible enough to believe pretty well anything their government tells them. Your libertarian idiocy isn't the way to change it. Nobody is paying attention because it's inconsistent on everything it preaches.

Socially responsible capitalism is the way out and that means turning to the left. Roberts praises Russia for good reasons but you idiots don't understand why you praise Roberts.

And Roberts just gets it wrong with more of the same rightist shit.


  
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Reply #3 - Mar 27th, 2018 at 5:15pm
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The American people are propagandized and gullible enough to believe pretty well anything their government tells them.
You make a good case for banning government schools with unionized and "tenured" teachers.

Edit: Nobody I know believes much if anything of what comes out of the "progressive" propaganda mill...

You seem to be promoting the propaganda mill line...

Is it your position that human progress can only come through government action?
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 27th, 2018 at 6:49pm
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Tom Palven wrote on Mar 27th, 2018 at 5:55am:
Read the last paragraph in this article to help you decide:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/03/paul-craig-roberts/integrity-has-vanished-fr...
Democracy is a real danger to liberty.

  
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Reply #5 - Mar 27th, 2018 at 10:27pm
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Western democracy is a hoax. Consider Catalonia. The people voted for independence and were denounced for doing so by European politicians.


You do realise that some form of collectivism must be conceded in order to even make this statement, correct?

I'm sure not every single Catalonian wanted independence from Spain. That was simply the popular result of the aggressive voting process.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #6 - Mar 27th, 2018 at 11:51pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 27th, 2018 at 6:49pm:
Democracy is a real danger to liberty.



“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!” - Benjamin Franklin
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 3:47am
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Here's an article on neoconservative warmonger and Obama supporter ohn Brennan which provides evidence that the deep state consists not only of Republicans, but of bipartisan or non-partisan unelected apparatchiki:
https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/lets-investigate-john-brennan/
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 8:15am
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 27th, 2018 at 10:27pm:
You do realise that some form of collectivism must be conceded in order to even make this statement, correct?

I'm sure not every single Catalonian wanted independence from Spain. That was simply the popular result of the aggressive voting process.
Collectivism is not democracy, and using democratic processes in ways specified by law to allow people representation in their government is not democracy either, nor does voting in such situations create a democratic "system".

Not everyone will ever agree no matter what the question.
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 12:01pm
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Tom Palven wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 3:47am:
Here's an article on neoconservative warmonger and Obama supporter ohn Brennan which provides evidence that the deep state consists not only of Republicans, but of bipartisan or non-partisan unelected apparatchiki:
https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/lets-investigate-john-brennan/


Corruption runs deep. The libertarian's failing is to not concentrate on exposing it on the parts of both the left and the right.

The US must escape it's tendency to lean too far right. That is the only route out of the present mess. Libertarians aren't helping to do that.

The party and it's philosophy is likely doomed because it can't be redirected by the people it now has as it's support. You maybe one of the few exceptions but I don't hear anything encouraging from you anymore.

I always invite it though.
  
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