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Reply #10 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 12:35pm
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Don_G wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 12:01pm:
The [Libertarian] party and it's philosophy is likely doomed because it can't be redirected by the people it now has as it's support.

Why do you presume that our philosophy needs to be "redirected"?  We aspire to autonomy (self-ownership),  free market, voluntary association, and personal responsibility.   

That seems like a good direction to me.   Don't blame libertarians for the shortcomings of the 2 major parties.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 1:12pm
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SkyChief wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 12:35pm:
Why do you presume that our philosophy needs to be "redirected"?  We aspire to autonomy (self-ownership),  free market, voluntary association, and personal responsibility.


I'm saying it's doomed to failure and I've given you my reasons why. If you can address that with something sensible then you will have my attention if you seek it.   

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That seems like a good direction to me.   Don't blame libertarians for the shortcomings of the 2 major parties.


You've just ignored my comments. To put it as simply as I can, the wealthy who are the political right have stolen your wealth, freedom, and rights but you aren't understanding that being neither rightist or leftist is the way for the LP.

If you lived in Canada for a couple of years you would come to understand that what Americans see as left is really not at all. Your government, which incidentally you oppose, has convinced you that the rest of the world is leftist or socialist, or even communists. You don't oppose that that direction you've been given.

We have what you can't have Chief, until you learn how to fight to get it back. You interpret that any way you like!
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 5:59pm
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Don_G wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 1:12pm:
If you can address that with something sensible then you will have my attention if you seek it.   



I've seen no evidence at all that anyone on this form is seeking your attention.

Probably you would be best to piss off  and just talk to people like yourself,  who have probably already told you to piss off on  "progressive" forums, because you are arrogant and ignorant of everything as far as I can tell.
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 7:42pm
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Turn to the left, Don?  What do liberals have to do with liberty?
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 8:10pm
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Don_G wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 1:12pm:
You've just ignored my comments. To put it as simply as I can, the wealthy who are the political right have stolen your wealth, freedom, and rights but you aren't understanding that being neither rightist or leftist is the way for the LP.

This is completely wrong.  I live in a state where the LEFT has stolen my wealth, freedon and rights.  The moonbats in Sacramento have forfeited Californian's right to buy or sell (some) firearms.  Jan 1st this year, Gun store owneres pulled AR 15s and AK 47s off their shelves.

We can still assemble them from mail-order parts, but the lower receiver is not milled. We need to take it to a gunsmith, or do the milling ourselves.

Sounds stupid, right?

Well, it is.  And Taxes.  They keep raising them.  We already HADS a high gasoline tax, but they just raised it again!!  California now has the highest gasoline tax in the nation.  It wouldn't be so bad if they used the Gas Tax proceeds for road and highway infrastructure, but NO - they will siphon off most of it to pay for non-essential social programs. 

The Lawmakers in Sacramento are completely out of control.  This is what happens with a Democrat governor and legislature.  Everything goes to shit because Dems love to spend other people's money on silly things.

That's why we so look forward to the day we Californians can split up the state and the Dems can tax themselves into oblivion.  We don't want to be any part of it.
  
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Reply #15 - Mar 29th, 2018 at 6:45am
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RubyHypatia wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 7:42pm:
Turn to the left, Don?  What do liberals have to do with liberty?
Don't they call themselves "progressives" again these days, or is that now tainted in people's minds too, so they are trying to claim the liberal label again?

Anyway, governments claiming to have "democratic" systems are a hoax. They know as well as anyone that democracy is a dangerous form of government doomed to fail in spectacular ways, so they call their top down authoritarian governments "Democracies" when they are not even close to being democracies.

Even in the U.S., they cheat us out of freely choosing our representatives by means of the noxious TwoParty "system".
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 29th, 2018 at 12:10pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 7:42pm:
Turn to the left, Don?  What do liberals have to do with liberty?


The title of the thread should be 'US Democracy a Hoax'.

All the anger and frustration belongs to you Americans Ruby. And the rush to war is all on the part of the US/Nato. But we know that Nato is a tool of the US.

The US is the anti-liberal country and that pretty well proves that liberals are the side of peace.

You Americans mistake your Democratic party as liberals. They're not, they're just Americans too.

Perhaps the single issue that some libertarians get right is that both their major parties are totally corrupt. But then they fail to take that to it's logical conclusion that their whole country is corrupt and warmongering.

You've never demonstrated that you have the intelligence to even carry on  a logical conversation Ruby. All you've ever done is grunted out a few words of protest. I've already written too much for you to digest in one sitting.
  
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Reply #17 - Mar 31st, 2018 at 8:20am
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Incompetence runs deep and wastes huge amounts of tax money-

http://reason.com/archives/2018/03/30/operation-odessa-turns-90s-drug-war-into?u...
  
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Re: Western Democracy a Hoax?
Reply #18 - Mar 31st, 2018 at 9:13am
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The left wants bigger government, which means less freedom.  So it's ridiculous that they call themselves, "liberals."  Calling themselves, "progressives" is also silly as growing government is not progress.  Big government means big debt, more laws.  Progress would mean getting out of debt and having more freedom.

Yes, two party government stifles democracy as both parties want big government, but in different ways.
  
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Reply #19 - Mar 31st, 2018 at 12:29pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 9:13am:
The left wants bigger government, which means less freedom.  So it's ridiculous that they call themselves, "liberals."  Calling themselves, "progressives" is also silly as growing government is not progress.  Big government means big debt, more laws.  Progress would mean getting out of debt and having more freedom.

Yes, two party government stifles democracy as both parties want big government, but in different ways.

Have you learned anything with the Trump budget?  The lion's share of the spending is on the military while appeasing the left is a small part.

Is Trump a leftist? Or is the left even definable anymore?
  
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