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Reply #10 - Mar 31st, 2018 at 1:41pm
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SkyChief wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 1:20pm:
Irrelevant.  The government was never granted the power to ban guns. They connot pass laws which violate our right to keep and bear arms.  The Supreme Court has already ruled on this.

With the Supreme Court as is, there's no way that ruling will change.  Now, if the gunophobes can somehow boot Justices Kennedy, Thomas and Roberts, they might be able to overturn the ruling which stands.

Gun confiscation is out of the question.   Cry   For now, anyway.




Gun confiscation will likely always be out of the question. A very large majority of the people will always be opposed to that.

I think the banning of sales of AR type weapons is in the foreseeable future but that won't help much. There are lots of them out there already. It's the handguns that are the problem.

Frankly, I think you're fukked. Attitudes are solid for guns.

I think the 80% is going to grow to 90% in the shorter term and that's going to break the NRA's hold. And that will come to be an influence on the Scotus.

The NRA would be wise to be proactive and cut their losses now. Conceding a ban on AR type weapons being sold would be a real winner for them and nobody would suffer. You'll always be able to get on when you need to shoot up some schoold children.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 31st, 2018 at 2:13pm
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I could care less what John Paul Stevens thinks about the 2nd Amendment.

The founders were just acknowledging our natural rights when they wrote the 2nd Amendment.

All the gun control concievable won't prevent violence.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 31st, 2018 at 3:12pm
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SkyChief wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 1:20pm:
Gun confiscation is out of the question.   Cry   For now, anyway.




Exactly.

Just say the words "gun confiscation" a couple of times out loud and even Don would realize the problem with that idea.

Well, maybe he won't. So just in case:

Problem one:  You send a couple of 'roid raging Thirty-something white deputies led by a twenty-something who affirmative actioned her way to a segeant's job after two years on the force.  They go to the home of three hillbilly redneck brothers and their seven cousins and announce, "Well, boys.  You knew this was coming."  The Sarge says, "Gentlemen, we'll be done in just a few minutes.  Double check that your weapons are unloaded and place them in our destruction bin."

As Billie would say, ~Then what happens?~

The alternative is police approach a non-hillbilly redneck who says, "Sure, I bought three rifles and to pistols last year as your check of Dick's records showed.   I was planning to turn them in right away, but then the strangest thing happened to them . . . "

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Reply #13 - Mar 31st, 2018 at 4:30pm
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ACH wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 2:13pm:
All the gun control concievable won't prevent violence.

I agree.  The gun-grabbers ignore the fact that gun control measures only apply to law-abiding gun owners, which has ZERO impact on the mayhem and massacres that criminals cause with illegally-obtained weapons.

The gun-grabbers are a very ignorant group of people.  But they're generally pretty harmless.  I say let them blow off some steam and feel good about themselves.
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 31st, 2018 at 4:47pm
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It's bad when my 14 yr old daughter can figure out that criminals don't obey the law but some of our politicians and universities can't seem to grasp the idea.
  
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Reply #15 - Mar 31st, 2018 at 5:20pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 3:12pm:
Exactly.

Just say the words "gun confiscation" a couple of times out loud and even Don would realize the problem with that idea.

Well, maybe he won't. So just in case:

Problem one:  You send a couple of 'roid raging Thirty-something white deputies led by a twenty-something who affirmative actioned her way to a segeant's job after two years on the force.  They go to the home of three hillbilly redneck brothers and their seven cousins and announce, "Well, boys.  You knew this was coming."  The Sarge says, "Gentlemen, we'll be done in just a few minutes.  Double check that your weapons are unloaded and place them in our destruction bin."

As Billie would say, ~Then what happens?~

The alternative is police approach a non-hillbilly redneck who says, "Sure, I bought three rifles and to pistols last year as your check of Dick's records showed.   I was planning to turn them in right away, but then the strangest thing happened to them . . . "

(Cue Billie again)


Besides going to school (which should have helped you prepare for the real world but obviously didn't) have you ever lived outside a wealthy enclave in a "progressive" big city?
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 31st, 2018 at 5:25pm
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ACH wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 4:47pm:
It's bad when my 14 yr old daughter can figure out that criminals don't obey the law but some of our politicians and universities can't seem to grasp the idea.
The bad news is, the Colleges and Universities are in league with "progressives" in government to try to foment a revolution that will destroy America in favor of "Establishing a Socially Responsible System". 

This requires that all the non-elite people be disarmed (unless they are working as security forces for the elites).

They tried hard to do this in the '60s and failed, but they want to give it another go before Nancy Pelosi and Scott Nearing and Bernie Sanders and Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden all die.
  
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Reply #17 - Mar 31st, 2018 at 6:22pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 5:25pm:
The bad news is, the Colleges and Universities are in league with "progressives" in government to try to foment a revolution that will destroy America in favor of "Establishing a Socially Responsible System". 

This requires that all the non-elite people be disarmed (unless they are working as security forces for the elites).

They tried hard to do this in the '60s and failed, but they want to give it another go before Nancy Pelosi and Scott Nearing and Bernie Sanders and Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden all die.



Billie, you are right on the money.
We have the Socialist/Marxist on the left and those on the right that want to take away our freedoms...they may go about it in different ways but the end result is we lose our freedoms.
  
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Reply #18 - Apr 1st, 2018 at 12:43pm
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ACH wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 6:22pm:
Billie, you are right on the money.
We have the Socialist/Marxist on the left and those on the right that want to take away our freedoms...they may go about it in different ways but the end result is we lose our freedoms.


Then the socialists/Marxists have gotten to the people. It's really doubtful that could happen in the US but I guess it's possible.

The momentum is running with the 80% that want gun laws reformed. A sure winning strategy right now would be for the NRA to grant the stopping of sales of AR type weapons.

It would leave the anti-gun lobby flatfooted and with nothing left to whine about. Otherwise, the NRA is leaving them in their enviable position of being able to grow.

The small concession may not be in line with the constitution but it's a time to protect it from the socialists/Marxists with a very small compromise.

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Or not! It would be a shame to see the carnage end.
  
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Reply #19 - Apr 1st, 2018 at 1:28pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Apr 1st, 2018 at 12:43pm:
A sure winning strategy right now would be for the NRA to grant the stopping of sales of AR type weapons...


The small concession may not be in line with the constitution but it's a time to protect it from the socialists/Marxists with a very small compromise.

The consensus is that the  US Constitution/Bill of Rights is no longer relevant, so the concession would not be contested.

However, if the NRA made this concession which you proposed, they would lose 80% of their members overnight.

That might be somewhat objectional for the NRA - they get their strength from their 5 million paid members. (14 million Americans claim to be NRA Members, but 9 million of them are merely NRA supporters)
  
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