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Reply #20 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 9:29am
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RubyHypatia wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 at 8:18pm:
Billie, you think all those poor immigrants give more than they take?  What about the ones working under the table, and their kids are still getting a free education?  They show up in the emergency room, they have to be treated whether they can pay or not.  The legal ones get government benefits.
Overall, immigrants commit fewer crimes per capita, are more likely to be working and generally pay taxes on what they earn.

Really, if you are an illegal immigrant supporting a family, you would probably qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit... But since you don't want to be deported, you try to find work where people will pay you in cash. Not many people will pay in cash (and they usually know they can get away with paying you less if they do) so you won't make much money.

If the people in your community who fund the local schools with their property taxes want the children of illegal immigrants to remain uneducated... but why would they? We have too many uneducated natives around as it is.

As for using emergency rooms, getting our government out of "regulating" medical care and insurance would take care of almost all of that problem, which is a problem primarily of natives on welfare or working people who have been priced out of the market for medical insurance.
  
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Reply #21 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 12:51pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 7:49am:
What is with these countries that they keep trying to make communism work when it's just beating a dead horse?  It's capitalism that's responsible for them having the latest in technology, but heaven forbid they acknowledge that.  I'm reminded of the Occupy Wall Street idiots with their smart phones.


What countries are trying to make communism work and are failing? Cuba is not failing but standing up against US dirty tricks that are directed at proving Cuba's communism can't work. It's working miraculously well compared to other banana republics. Compare them to Grenada where the US tore their country apart and it's still suffering.

N.K. is an example of communism holding out against US captialism and dirty tricks. When the US hold is broken it will prosper with it's turn to China's help.

China is a huge success story of communism being immune to US interference because of it's might. They are evolving to a socially responsible form of capitalism.

Decent people in truly socially responsible countries don't support communism Ruby. We support the people's efforts to hold off US style greedy capitalism. And we are the leading countries in the world in all the important ways. We should start by talking about your prison system and your health care system messes.

Ruby dear, Craig Sickler has told you: Quote:
Overall, immigrants commit fewer crimes per capita, are more likely to be working and generally pay taxes on what they earn.


Just in case you may have missed it.
  
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Reply #22 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 3:55pm
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I am going to point to this thread whenever someone says libertarians do not support open borders or illegal immigration.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #23 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 4:52pm
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The Opposition wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 3:55pm:
I am going to point to this thread whenever someone says libertarians do not support open borders or illegal immigration.
Right. Impress everyone with the vast numbers supporting open borders.

Convince everyone that you can't be a "real" libertarian unless you support open borders and strictly "private" government, like China's or Cuba's or N. Korea's or Russia's etc.
  
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Reply #24 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 5:50pm
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The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer
https://www.heritage.org/immigration/report/the-fiscal-cost-unlawful-immigrants-...

There are approximately 3.7 million unlawful immigrant households in the U.S. These households impose a net fiscal burden of around $54.5 billion per year.
  
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Reply #25 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 5:53pm
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I also have to wonder how much money in charity illegal immigrants (undocumented democrats) take.
  
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Reply #26 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 6:02pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 5:50pm:
The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer
https://www.heritage.org/immigration/report/the-fiscal-cost-unlawful-immigrants-...

There are approximately 3.7 million unlawful immigrant households in the U.S. These households impose a net fiscal burden of around $54.5 billion per year.
I've never liked or accepted everything the Heritage Foundation has promoted. I think they are wrong on this.

Households are good.

Much better than young unmarried women in the ghetto with babies they claim not to know who fathered... How much do they cost?
  
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Reply #27 - Apr 7th, 2018 at 3:43pm
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The cost of illegal immigration to taxpayers is growing at an unsustainable pace
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/352869-the-cost-of-ille...

  
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Reply #28 - Apr 7th, 2018 at 6:32pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Apr 7th, 2018 at 3:43pm:
The cost of illegal immigration to taxpayers is growing at an unsustainable pace
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/352869-the-cost-of-ille...

Yeah, right, people coming here because the Mexican government still sucks and they fear that they and their children will be killed by Narco Gangs and/or their own government, forces the U.S government to give the DHS full power!

No matter how much they cost us or who they shoot!!

Like the Hogg child said, "All Power to The State"!
  
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Reply #29 - Apr 7th, 2018 at 7:51pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Apr 7th, 2018 at 3:43pm:
The cost of illegal immigration to taxpayers is growing at an unsustainable pace
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/352869-the-cost-of-ille...


The truth is that immigrants are a benefit. It's just that they work harder, for less, more efficiently, and Americans don't want to be displaced.

American workers are lazy, overpaid, demanding, entitled, and frankly worthless to the economy. They're going to be displaced because they need to be displaced.

It's a hard truth, but it's the truth.
  

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