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Reply #30 - Apr 8th, 2018 at 6:39am
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RubyHypatia wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 5:53pm:
I also have to wonder how much money in charity illegal immigrants (undocumented democrats) take.
Charity is a gift Ruby, nobody "takes" it.
  
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Reply #31 - Apr 8th, 2018 at 6:48am
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The Opposition wrote on Apr 7th, 2018 at 7:51pm:
The truth is that immigrants are a benefit. It's just that they work harder, for less, more efficiently, and Americans don't want to be displaced.

American workers are lazy, overpaid, demanding, entitled, and frankly worthless to the economy. They're going to be displaced because they need to be displaced.

It's a hard truth, but it's the truth.
I almost sort of agree, but there isn't that much wrong with American workers, it's the non-workers who never worked that are a problem.

Immigrants aren't so much displacing workers as they are taking jobs that Americans refuse to do, but that need to be done.

If I'm looking for framing carpenters to work for me, and I have a choice between an immigrant who knows how to use a hammer and can carry a sheet of 3/4" inch plywood up to the second floor deck or an "American" who can't drive a spike without swinging at it fifteen times and only hitting it eight times, and can't even pick up a sheet of 3/4" plywood, much less carry it anywhere, who do you think I'll hire? Will any "Americans" even show up to ask for the job?
  
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Reply #32 - Apr 8th, 2018 at 12:08pm
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Jeff wrote on Apr 8th, 2018 at 6:48am:
I almost sort of agree, but there isn't that much wrong with American workers, it's the non-workers who never worked that are a problem.

Immigrants aren't so much displacing workers as they are taking jobs that Americans refuse to do, but that need to be done.

If I'm looking for framing carpenters to work for me, and I have a choice between an immigrant who knows how to use a hammer and can carry a sheet of 3/4" inch plywood up to the second floor deck or an "American" who can't drive a spike without swinging at it fifteen times and only hitting it eight times, and can't even pick up a sheet of 3/4" plywood, much less carry it anywhere, who do you think I'll hire? Will any "Americans" even show up to ask for the job?


You make an excellent point.
  
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Reply #33 - Apr 8th, 2018 at 12:12pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 7:49am:
What is with these countries that they keep trying to make communism work when it's just beating a dead horse?  It's capitalism that's responsible for them having the latest in technology, but heaven forbid they acknowledge that.  I'm reminded of the Occupy Wall Street idiots with their smart phones.


It's the lazy and un-willing to better themselves people that root for communism so much. They believe they are entitled to healthcare, money, and education for free just because they were "born" and "alive".

Economic intensives is what keep people working. Remove that and no one will life a finger.
  
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Reply #34 - Apr 8th, 2018 at 12:25pm
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Dagny wrote on Apr 8th, 2018 at 12:08pm:
You make an excellent point.


Craig Sickler (billie) actually did completely agree with what Oppo said. And it hit a right note with you too.

Personally, I'm left wondering if it's really that bad? I know that kind of job is still being filled in Canada by Canadians and I suspect that it is too in the US, but to a lesser degree.

I think there's a lot of truth in what Craig and Oppo say  and agree upon.

The relates directly to the reason why immigrants aren't being stopped at the border and likely never will be. The cheap labour factor is the real issue but Americans not wanting the work is a secondary issue.

Another example of Craig Sickler proving himself useful at times!
  
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Reply #35 - Apr 8th, 2018 at 12:33pm
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Dagny wrote on Apr 8th, 2018 at 12:12pm:
It's the lazy and un-willing to better themselves people that root for communism so much. They believe they are entitled to healthcare, money, and education for free just because they were "born" and "alive".

Economic intensives is what keep people working. Remove that and no one will life a finger.


No American will lift a finger for starvation wages Dagny. That's the point everybody is coming to agreement on here. It's the immigrants that 'will' lift a finger.

And so the suggestion has become, Americans must be the communists according to your theory.

But how can that be when we know that the US is the bastion of capitalism?

Communism or socialism just isn't the problem. Lack of socially repsonsible government is the problem. The world's leading countries that are condemned by Americans have found some socially responsible solutions.

Libertarians aren't ready to talk about that yet. But people like Craig Sickler slip up at times and speak the truth.
  
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Re: Income Inequality
Reply #36 - Apr 8th, 2018 at 6:17pm
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Saying we have a problem with illegal immigrants isn't the same as saying immigration is bad.  Illegals are not a net benefit for us.  They may pay taxes, but they take more in benefits.  Let's not ignore that.  The problem isn't just with illegal immigrants, it's with a system that rewards the takers while punishing the makers.  We have lazy American born citizens?  Stop rewarding laziness.

Yes, charity is a gift, but that doesn't mean it's not taken.  If illegal immigrants weren't here taking charity, that charity would go to other poor people.  If Dems want to really help those in poverty here in the U.S., they should stop importing so many more poor people and focus on those we already have.  Let other countries solve their own problems with poverty.  Think of it this way, who do we get to unload our poor people on?  Why should we be the dumping ground for so many of the world's poor?  Illegal immigration is hurting our own poor people, period.  And Dems don't care because they know that having more poor, uneducated people means Dems get more power. 

  
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Reply #37 - Apr 8th, 2018 at 6:35pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Apr 8th, 2018 at 6:17pm:
Saying we have a problem with illegal immigrants isn't the same as saying immigration is bad.  Illegals are not a net benefit for us.  They may pay taxes, but they take more in benefits.  Let's not ignore that.  The problem isn't just with illegal immigrants, it's with a system that rewards the takers while punishing the makers.  We have lazy American born citizens?  Stop rewarding laziness.


This isn't about laziness in the least. It's about US racism and you continue to indict yourself by fretting on it. Trump's base supports him on his immigration policies because they are racists for the most part. My guess is they are racists almost exclusively. And all I hear from you is denial of your own racism. Keep it up Ruby, you're a gift!

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Yes, charity is a gift, but that doesn't mean it's not taken.  If illegal immigrants weren't here taking charity, that charity would go to other poor people.  If Dems want to really help those in poverty here in the U.S., they should stop importing so many more poor people and focus on those we already have.  Let other countries solve their own problems with poverty.  Think of it this way, who do we get to unload our poor people on?  Why should we be the dumping ground for so many of the world's poor?  Illegal immigration is hurting our own poor people, period.  And Dems don't care because they know that having more poor, uneducated people means Dems get more power. 



Stop trying to blame your Dems more than your Repubs. And stop pretending that your interests aren't completely and totally concerning the colour of people's skin.

The most despicable and evil women on this earth are the ones who have no compassion for others. C.Rice, M. Abright, and you can be tarred with the same brush. The world would be a better place without you and your ilk.

Spill your guts on your racism Ruby. You've become my personal fool to use to make the point once again..
  
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Re: Income Inequality
Reply #38 - Apr 8th, 2018 at 8:17pm
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RubyHypatia wrote on Apr 8th, 2018 at 6:17pm:
If Dems want to really help those in poverty here in the U.S., they should stop importing so many more poor people and focus on those we already have...  Dems don't care because they know that having more poor, uneducated people means Dems get more power. 

They don't like to admit it, but this is quite true.  Can you imagine the uproar from the Dems if poor immigrants voted Republican?   Grin    Grin   

RubyHypatia wrote on Apr 8th, 2018 at 6:17pm:
     Why should we be the dumping ground for so many of the world's poor? 

Blame Lady Liberty: 

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
  
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Re: Income Inequality
Reply #39 - Apr 10th, 2018 at 7:17pm
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So anyone who thinks people shouldn't break the law by illegally moving to another country is a racist?  That's a hell of a lot of racists.  It's not just Americans who believe all immigrants (no matter their color) should be legal, but people in other countries feel the same way.  Why are we not allowed to say who gets to come in and who can't?  Other countries get to protect their borders, why can't we?  America already has about 20% of the world's immigrants, isn't that enough?  That means America has the highest percentage of the world's immigrants.  The country with the second highest percentage is Germany with about 5%.  Huge difference between the highest and second highest.
  
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