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Re: Mexico Should Stop the Caravan for Humanitarian Reasons
Reply #70 - May 3rd, 2018 at 1:18pm
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SnarkySack wrote on May 3rd, 2018 at 11:10am:
Property can be the fruit of a crime and thus tainted with the crime.


No, but when you cash your welfare check, you know it's tainted money.



That's incorrect Craig, but you're probably going to have to accept it as correct.

Not suggesting that you get a welfar cheque but if you did, it obviously wouldn't be tainted money.

It would be your money that had been paid in taxes that were collected with the aim in mind of your government being able to be 'socially  responsible' to the people in the future.

You can take solace in the fact that burnsred is aware of that too but attempts to skew the truth in a way that only an extreme rightist would try to get by us.
  
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Re: Mexico Should Stop the Caravan for Humanitarian Reasons
Reply #71 - May 3rd, 2018 at 4:18pm
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SnarkySack wrote on May 3rd, 2018 at 11:10am:
Property can be the fruit of a crime and thus tainted with the crime.
Primogeniture? Is that the right word? Where the children are "tainted" by the crimes of their parents and might as well be killed too?

It's an ancient idea that the people creating America hoped to prevent.

That's not the right word, but there is one...
  
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Re: Mexico Should Stop the Caravan for Humanitarian Reasons
Reply #72 - May 3rd, 2018 at 11:01pm
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SnarkySack wrote on May 3rd, 2018 at 11:06am:
If I mentioned fairness, I misspoke.  It isn't at all about fairness.  Stopping one child from hitting but not the other isn't stopping aggression a little bit.  It doesn't stop aggression at all because the child who isn't stopped will only double down on the aggression because why not.


You're making a huge assumption. Actually, two.
1) the aggression of the child with the impunity will increase
2) the level of the increase will be more than the aggression of the other child

When in fact this is not the case. In nature, the dominant bullies with clear advantages don't have to use as much energy-wasting aggression. When Johnny knows he can't fight back, all precedent is he will simply meet Robbie's demands and aggression will decrease.

The pecking order keeps relative peace and saves energy. Otherwise it would not exist in nature.

SnarkySack wrote on May 3rd, 2018 at 11:06am:
Same principle applies to the border.  Stopping the aggression of keeping the border closed without also stopping the aggression of welfare will only increase the number of people coming to get welfare, thus actually increasing the net aggression.


Again you're making a similar assumption: That aggression increases to match what you've stopped. Regardless, it doesn't matter. You're basically saying what Don is when he says we should strip gun rights to decrease aggression.

You do not get to advocate the policies that will result in less aggression. A libertarian must pick from the available policies whichever set of policies is itself the least aggressive.

I could go down that road and say we should all live in cages apart from each other, because it would stop the filthy monkeys that make up the human race from hurting one another. I would actually like this. I still don't get to advocate this because an aggressive policy is never a go, regardless of how much of others' aggression it prevents.

SnarkySack wrote on May 3rd, 2018 at 11:06am:
Laws (including mommy laws) that allow one person to aggress but not another isn't non-aggression.  That's government picking winners which is what we are already doing under our current authoritarian system.


There's nothing wrong with the government picking winners as long as it does not aggress. The state of picking winners is also superior to the state of less government aggression.

You're still failing to understand that only the NAP matters. Other moral principles never justify force.

SnarkySack wrote on May 3rd, 2018 at 11:06am:
That's another reason that libertarianism is difficult to implement:  People are used to government picking winners will hate it when the free market picks winners and it isn't them.


Winners will be picked by the private courts and the media. They'll be fine.

There are two kinds of people in the world: Those who exploit the social to gain advantage without work, and those who work for everything they have.

No system but pure communism would ever advantage the second kind. And it's not worth it.
  

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