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Reply #50 - Apr 8th, 2018 at 6:21pm
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SkyChief wrote on Apr 8th, 2018 at 2:59pm:
I agree, Trump HAS has taken politics further away from libertarian ideals.  Is this a surprise to anyone?  Who expected (or even hoped for) Trump to promote a liberarian agenda?    I sure didn't.  I don't think ANY libertarians did.

“Libertarians are the party of peaceful trade with all nations and entangling alliances with none -  Trump’s reckless military aggressiveness and trade wars are quite the opposite.”
  - LNC  Executive Director, Wes Benedict


That quote doesn't apply to the libertarians on this board. Most don't even make the claim. You do at least make the claim.

I have my doubts on where you will stand if your country finds it 'necessary' to go to war with Iran.

I think you will be quite likely seeing the need. I've very seldom been wrong on Americans when I have said that on any of your wars. The few times I was wrong was when they 'really did appear to be pretending' but they were sincere. You don't even do a good job of pretending.

Would you like to now?

No US warmaking is necessary. Your country is the evil aggressor. Many of the people at antiwar.com have no difficulty stated that whatsoever.
  
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Reply #51 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 8:31am
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Apr 8th, 2018 at 6:21pm:
That quote doesn't apply to the libertarians on this board.
I've asked this before- Who on the forum do you think is a libertarian, and why?
  
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Reply #52 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 12:20pm
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Jeff wrote on Apr 9th, 2018 at 8:31am:
I've asked this before- Who on the forum do you think is a libertarian, and why?



Sicklers Dink wrote on Jan 3rd, 2018 at 11:54pm:
Must I remind you again that I'm the libertarian and you are one of the fakers. 


When one is delusional, reality becomes a dream, and vice versa.   Grin
  
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Reply #53 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 1:33pm
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SkyChief wrote on Apr 9th, 2018 at 12:20pm:
When one is delusional, reality becomes a dream, and vice versa.   Grin


When one is delusional that would probably be true.

Without naming each individual delusion, I'll just say that libertarian principle which I support would all be quite possible to make into reality.

Just two for examples would be:


Bringing freedom to the people by bringing abour reform to gun laws that would allow people to live in relative freedom from fear of being shot dead.

Bringing fairness to income taxation so the poor and middle class could gain back some of their money which has been stolen from them by the 1%.

The difference is: A real libertarian doesn't spend his time pondering the day when income taxation will be abolished.

Who is the libertarian on this board? Maybe we should look at some more libertarian beliefs to sort them out from pseudo-libertarian fantasies from never-never land?
  
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Reply #54 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 3:29pm
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No one on this forum is a libertarian except Tom Palven.
  

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Not taking Jeff seriously until he admits this is animal abuse (which he says should be illegal): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE-IT7_CaE4
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Reply #55 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 3:34pm
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The Opposition wrote on Apr 9th, 2018 at 3:29pm:
No one on this forum is a libertarian except Tom Palven.


It simply doesn't exist in politics. It's freely admitted by it's propnents that it's an impossible political philosophy for an entire country.

It's a fantasy befitting a small village of misfits. You need to stop forgetting to take your lithium.
  
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Reply #56 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 4:02pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Apr 9th, 2018 at 3:34pm:
It simply doesn't exist in politics. It's freely admitted by it's proponents that it's an impossible political philosophy for an entire country.

It's a fantasy befitting a small village of misfits. You need to stop forgetting to take your lithium.


The fact that there will always be some degree of wrong is no excuse for giving up on pursuing what is right.

The idea that there will be zero murders is a fantasy, so let's just forget about pursuing that and legalise, say, two to four thousand murders per year.

I hope you realise how silly it sounds when you think about it even a little to stop pursuing what is right simply because you believe it will never exist.
  

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Reply #57 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 4:50pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on Apr 9th, 2018 at 1:33pm:


When one is delusional that would probably be true.

Without naming each individual delusion, I'll just say that libertarian principle which I support would all be quite possible to make into reality.

Just two for examples would be:


Bringing freedom to the people by bringing abour reform to gun laws that would allow people to live in relative freedom from fear of being shot dead.
If you are worried about being shot dead you could move to London, where you will soon be safe even from being stabbed to death. Roll Eyes

Or you could simply move to one of those many many Counties in the U.S. where people don't shoot each other, and when they do, it is almost always a family matter. Smiley
  
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Reply #58 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 4:54pm
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The Opposition wrote on Apr 9th, 2018 at 4:02pm:
The fact that there will always be some degree of wrong is no excuse for giving up on pursuing what is right.

The idea that there will be zero murders is a fantasy, so let's just forget about pursuing that and legalise, say, two to four thousand murders per year.

I hope you realise how silly it sounds when you think about it even a little to stop pursuing what is right simply because you believe it will never exist.
That's right, it's childishly absurd.

You need to focus only on not initiating aggression yourself. That's all.

Don't try to take over as the arbiter who forces the rest of us to become 'angels' in your eyes.

By "pursing what is right", you mean using government power to force what you "feel" is right on the rest of us Angry.
  
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