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A Libertarian's Take on Facebook
Apr 10th, 2018 at 8:26pm
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-People who are surprised that Facebook sells their data are people who thought Facebook gave their services away for free.

-People who thought they could communicate on something named "the worldwide web" and keep their privacy were not much smarter.

-Any regulations enacted against Facebook will be written by lobbyists working for Facebook and if they do put any restrictions on Facebook, the company will find ways around those restrictions more quickly than they were voted for.

-Facebook has a right to free speech whether it is a "neutral public forum" or not.



  

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Re: A Libertarian's Take on Facebook
Reply #1 - Apr 10th, 2018 at 9:01pm
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The senators look like they really have it in for him.
  
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Re: A Libertarian's Take on Facebook
Reply #2 - Apr 10th, 2018 at 9:22pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Apr 10th, 2018 at 8:26pm:
-Facebook has a right to free speech whether it is a "neutral public forum" or not.

I agree. 

Anyone who is uncomfortable with the fact that facebook suppresses speech from the right is free to not use it!
  
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Re: A Libertarian's Take on Facebook
Reply #3 - Apr 10th, 2018 at 10:23pm
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SkyChief wrote on Apr 10th, 2018 at 9:22pm:
I agree. 

Anyone who is uncomfortable with the fact that facebook suppresses speech from the right is free to not use it!


That's like complaining facebook doesn't allow porn. It's their platform, i agree with you.
  
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Re: A Libertarian's Take on Facebook
Reply #4 - Apr 10th, 2018 at 10:41pm
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Dagny wrote on Apr 10th, 2018 at 10:23pm:
That's like complaining facebook doesn't allow porn. It's their platform, i agree with you.


Thirded.

SnarkySack wrote on Apr 10th, 2018 at 8:26pm:
-People who are surprised that Facebook sells their data are people who thought Facebook gave their services away for free.

-People who thought they could communicate on something named "the worldwide web" and keep their privacy were not much smarter.

-Any regulations enacted against Facebook will be written by lobbyists working for Facebook and if they do put any restrictions on Facebook, the company will find ways around those restrictions more quickly than they were voted for.

-Facebook has a right to free speech whether it is a "neutral public forum" or not.


Only thing they might not have a right to do is say they won't sell the data if they're going to sell the data.

They actually do have the right to claim they're neutral and then censor the right but not the left. You don't pay to use Facebook. It's not a product. Lying about this in this situation would not be fraud.
  

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Re: A Libertarian's Take on Facebook
Reply #5 - Apr 11th, 2018 at 1:00pm
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The Opposition wrote on Apr 10th, 2018 at 10:41pm:
Thirded.


Only thing they might not have a right to do is say they won't sell the data if they're going to sell the data.


True, but enforcement will be almost impossible.

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They actually do have the right to claim they're neutral and then censor the right but not the left. You don't pay to use Facebook. It's not a product. Lying about this in this situation would not be fraud.


The reason Senator Cruz keeps asking that is there is some law that gives an exemption from either a regulation or a tax, I can't remember.  So Facebook's claim to be one is important to them.  But they can't ban "hate speech" and claim to be neutral.  Especially if they define supporting Trump as hate speech because he "hates immigrants."


  

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Re: A Libertarian's Take on Facebook
Reply #6 - Apr 11th, 2018 at 3:06pm
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SnarkySack wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 1:00pm:
The reason Senator Cruz keeps asking that is there is some law that gives an exemption from either a regulation or a tax, I can't remember.  So Facebook's claim to be one is important to them.  But they can't ban "hate speech" and claim to be neutral.  Especially if they define supporting Trump as hate speech because he "hates immigrants."


In that case, the regulation or tax is unjust in the first place and they should claim to be neutral when they're not in order to disobey an unjust law.

They can define hate speech any way they want. That's the point of hate speech. Hard Leftism is the new neutrality.
  

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Re: A Libertarian's Take on Facebook
Reply #7 - Apr 11th, 2018 at 3:16pm
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Is it ok if they deceive users to have them think their privacy is protected?
  

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Re: A Libertarian's Take on Facebook
Reply #8 - Apr 11th, 2018 at 3:23pm
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Land of Freedom wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 3:16pm:
Is it ok if they deceive users to have them think their privacy is protected?

Yes, because Facebook clearly states in the terms of use that they reserve the right to share personal info with 3rd-party entities, AND they offer an opt-out option if the user wishes to keep their info private.
  
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Re: A Libertarian's Take on Facebook
Reply #9 - Apr 11th, 2018 at 3:29pm
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Land of Freedom wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 3:16pm:
Is it ok if they deceive users to have them think their privacy is protected?


I would actually say yes because they are not selling a product. Facebook is free to use.

They may lie all they like, about anything they like, and it is not aggression unless is defrauds.

Like anything else, this lies properly in the massive basket of civil suits. Hopefully the bigger company with the better lawyers would win these types of suits, and upstarts would lose the same, edging out potential competition.
  

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