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Trump Backing Away from Syria Attack?
Apr 13th, 2018 at 1:43pm
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https://news.antiwar.com/2018/04/12/trump-backing-away-from-attack-on-syria/

Everybody should be fully aware of the impending danger. If the US and allies attack and kill Russian military personnell then Russia is left with no choice but to strike back.

All accounts say that Russian troops are imbedded with Syrian forces throughout Syria. And so there's likely little possibility that Russian troops won't be involved.

Russia can't possibly stand it's ground with the US in a conventional war and so there's a possibility that Russia would just have to take the hit and turn the other cheek? That's possible.

or

Russia strikes back with equal force against US installations in Syria. That would likely be Russia's only opportunity because if the US strikes it would do so from missile platforms that wouldn't be available to a counter attack.

And so the question looms, will Russia strike back? And then if the US needs to escalate, which it would almost certainly do, would Russia resort to the kind of military action that it 'can' use to 'win' a war?

Or more correctly, to not 'lose' a war?

These appear to be the choices now. But at least we know that both sides will not allow a situation to develop in which nuclear weapons would become necessary.

Or can we? Now we have Trump and Bolton to consider.

In my opinion those two would be overuled by cooler heads.

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Re: Trump Backing Away from Syria Attack?
Reply #1 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 5:57pm
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It's a real chore to try to keep you happy Donat.

What are the Brits going to do?

BTW, Russia has been "striking back" in Syria for a long time now... And Russian troops are either "rebels" or "insurgents" or "revolutionary comrades" depending on who and where you are.

OK, often they are just invaders. That sort of thing goes way back in Russian history.
  
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Reply #2 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 9:47am
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Now that the attack happened, we should talk more about this-

http://reason.com/blog/2018/04/13/attack-on-syria-lacks-authorization-clea?utm_m...
  
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Re: Trump Backing Away from Syria Attack?
Reply #3 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 11:59am
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Jeff wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 9:47am:
Now that the attack happened, we should talk more about this-

http://reason.com/blog/2018/04/13/attack-on-syria-lacks-authorization-clea?utm_m...

Presidents conduct miltary excersises all the time without Congress approval.

Why is everyone making such a fuss when Trump excersises his executive powers? 

If a Democrat president had conducted the missile strikes against Syrian chem-fab labs, they would have parades for him. Maybe even give a Nobel Prize.   

Why is the bar set so high for Trump?
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 2:50pm
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SkyChief wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 11:59am:
Presidents conduct miltary excersises all the time without Congress approval.


It's a fairly recent phenomena in the U.S. but something that tyrants throughout history always did.

The real question should be, why was the bar ever lowered?
  
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Re: Trump Backing Away from Syria Attack?
Reply #5 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:47pm
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Jeff wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 2:50pm:
It's a fairly recent phenomena in the U.S. but something that tyrants throughout history always did.

The real question should be, why was the bar ever lowered?

In 2002, provisions were made which bypassed the War Powers Act [1971] so the President could order Military strikes without approval from Congress.  They did this thinking the President could react quickly to "terrorist" threats  (Congress CAN however, deny funding for an extended military campaign).

You probably remember in 1999, Bill Clinton brazenly violated the War Powers Act, and took the liberty of bombing Kosovo - multiple bombing raids which lasted two weeks!  Because his last name is Clinton, he was given a pass. Noboby batted an eye.

But George W. Bush knew he couldn't get away with that kind of mischief, so he asked for a special waiver to suspend the War Powers Act.  Im not sure how it happened, though. I only know why it happened.
  
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Reply #6 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 3:08am
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Is it possible that the Deep State made Trump an offer he couldn't refuse when insisting that the US bomb Syria, but he outfoxed them with an attack that did almost no damage?
http://buchanan.org/blog/category/columns
  
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Reply #7 - Apr 19th, 2018 at 8:30am
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Trump had Michael Pompeo go to North Korea to talk about peace, and John Bolton has apparently been assigned to talk to his South Korean counterpart about peace.
https://news.antiwar.com/2018/04/18/south-korea-confirms-discussions-on-ending-6...

Trump has taken two of our biggest war-mongers and sent them on peace missions.

What's next?

Will Nikki Haley be sent to Russia to talk to Putin about détente, and John McCain be dispatched to Iran?

Is Trump craftier than we give him credit for?
  
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Reply #8 - Apr 19th, 2018 at 11:54am
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Tom Palven wrote on Apr 19th, 2018 at 8:30am:
Trump had Michael Pompeo go to North Korea to talk about peace, and John Bolton has apparently been assigned to talk to his South Korean counterpart about peace.
https://news.antiwar.com/2018/04/18/south-korea-confirms-discussions-on-ending-6...
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There is no Korean war but peace may be claimed by Trump. Regardless of N.Korea's finally being successful under Trumpof gaining a nuclear arsenal and the means to deliver it to the US.

N.Korea, S. Korea, and China are working toward some kind of peace which could endanger US intentions for the Korean peninsula. So it's necessary to get Pompeo, Bolton and US appearance of involvement in order to claim any progress the three may make. It's obvious that the US has nothing to do with any negotiations for peace.

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]Trump has taken two of our biggest war-mongers and sent them on peace missions.

What's next?


What's next is that the three will be attempting to wring some concessions out of the US in trade for N.Korea's nukes which it doesn't need. Not that the US is really concerned about N.Korea's nukes of course.

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Will Nikki Haley be sent to Russia to talk to Putin about détente, and John McCain be dispatched to Iran?

Is Trump craftier than we give him credit for?


No, Trump isn't crafty but he will be controlled to give the best appearance for propaganda spin.

Everybody has to understand that the US goal is complete control over the Korean peninsula, which China will never allow. And China's goal is the same.

China could offer N.Korea's nukes as it's bargaining chip but that would require some sizable concessions from the US.

It's not hard to imagine that the US is becoming emboldened enough to launch an attack on N. Korea, but that's likely on hold for quite a while until the Syrian mission is completed.

Meanwhile, the lies on the chemical weapon attack by Assad have been exposed but only for the few that are in touch with what has really happened.

https://www.rt.com/news/424563-douma-boy-chemical-video/

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Re: Trump Backing Away from Syria Attack?
Reply #9 - Apr 19th, 2018 at 4:11pm
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No, Trump isn't crafty but he will be controlled to give the best appearance for propaganda spin.

Everybody has to understand that the US goal is complete control over the Korean peninsula...
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Absolutely.  And the Crimean Peninsula, and the South China Sea, and Syria, and the rest of the Mid-East, and THE WORLD.

But Trump seems to want to get out of Syria, have detente with Russia, and achieve peace in general. 

In the past he's talked more like a peacenik than a warmonger, but he has to deal with the warmongers which consist pretty much of the entire Congress, the Deep State, and Israel.

First off, let's see if the deep state will actually allow him to talk person to person with Kim Jong-un. 
  
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