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Re: What is the American Gun Mentality all About?
Reply #140 - May 12th, 2018 at 8:16am
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SkyChief wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 2:45pm:
Good for you, Alayne.  You went a little beyond what is necessary, though.

You could should have stopped at #1.

The framers weren't really concerned about man-eating alligators when they added the 2nd Amendment.

They WERE concerned about "the security of a free State".

That's why the right to keep and bear arm is clearly spelled out in the Constitution.  The 2nd Amendment doesn't give Americans the right to keep and bear arms, it merely acknowledges this right, and makes it clear to Lawmakers (Congress) that this right "shall not be infringed".
I forgot to say  "Good post Chief!"
  
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Re: What is the American Gun Mentality all About?
Reply #141 - May 13th, 2018 at 1:13pm
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The reason the NRA and the GOA strongly oppose any and all "gun control" measures is because they know that these measures are designed to establish the slippery slope towards a gun ban.

That is their ultimate goal -  they have made it quite clear:

"When they give us that inch, that bump stock ban, we will take a mile!" - Delaney Tarr

"If I could have banned them all - Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns - I would have."  - Dianne Feinstein

"We lose 93 million Americans a day to gun violence." – Terry McAuliffe

"All we ask for is registration - just like we do for cars." - Chuck Shumer  (yeah, right, Chuck   Roll Eyes)

"We have had enough as a nation. You are not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun I think you should go to prison."  - Rosie O'Donnell

“I don’t believe people should to be able to own guns.”  - Barack Obama
  
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Re: What is the American Gun Mentality all About?
Reply #142 - May 13th, 2018 at 5:17pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 1:13pm:
The reason the NRA and the GOA strongly oppose any and all "gun control" measures is because they know that these measures are designed to establish the slippery slope towards a gun ban.

That is their ultimate goal -  they have made it quite clear:

"When they give us that inch, that bump stock ban, we will take a mile!" - Delaney Tarr

"If I could have banned them all - Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns - I would have."  - Dianne Feinstein

"We lose 93 million Americans a day to gun violence." – Terry McAuliffe

"All we ask for is registration - just like we do for cars." - Chuck Shumer  (yeah, right, Chuck   Roll Eyes)

"We have had enough as a nation. You are not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun I think you should go to prison."  - Rosie O'Donnell

“I don’t believe people should to be able to own guns.”  - Barack Obama
This had me thinking Chief, thanks.

We need to control politicians and bureaucrats. The majority of Americans want that (even while they want their checks to keep coming...), but the people we see a need of controlling know we want to control them, so they seek to take our guns to make them feel more safe. They are constantly surrounded by guns in the hands of highly trained protective services, and they want to take our guns, because guns are scary and dangerous... except for their hired guns, that we are forced to pay for by the way! Angry

These are interesting times.

I'd hoped to retire into boring times of plenty under a universal rule of law carried out by limited governments cooperating with each other to make civilization way nicer than it ever was before!


  
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Re: What is the American Gun Mentality all About?
Reply #143 - May 14th, 2018 at 2:46am
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Jeff wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 5:17pm:
I'd hoped to retire into boring times of plenty under a universal rule of law carried out by limited governments cooperating with each other to make civilization way nicer than it ever was before!

Libertarians will never be allowed to have nice things.

Don_G can explain the reasons why...

He claims there is a method to their madness.  (I'll never understand it, though)
  
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Re: What is the American Gun Mentality all About?
Reply #144 - May 14th, 2018 at 8:41am
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SkyChief wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 2:46am:
Libertarians will never be allowed to have nice things.

Don_G can explain the reasons why...

He claims there is a method to their madness.  (I'll never understand it, though)
You'd have to be able to grasp the utopian nature of Marxism, which posits that force will be necessary in order to create a "socialist system" and that a "socialist system" will allow people to be the pure communists that we all are by our nature. Grin

The proposition is that all humans are born as good communists, but are warped and led into evil ways by an evil system called "capitalism", and that once evil systems are replaced by a 'good' "socialist system", all humans will remain the good communists they were born as and the need for government will disappear.

It's one reason behaviorist psychology was so important to Marxists; They wanted scientific proof that babies are a blank slate on which is written the behaviors they will adopt; Proof that a "socialist system" would produce good communists.

It has been proven wrong repeatedly, but as you might know, the lament is "capitalism still exists on the earth, so good communists can't yet be created."

If nothing else, communists have proved masters of destruction.
  
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Re: What is the American Gun Mentality all About?
Reply #145 - May 14th, 2018 at 6:36pm
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Don_G, United States Constitution Amendment II specifically says "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The "people" are persons that are allowed to vote as per the Constitution.  Click on the following Constitution transcript link and totally and completely read all the information that link provides. Next, click on the following Bill of Rights link and totally and completely read all the information that link provides.  Then, click on the following Amendments 11-27, and totally and completely read all the information that link provides.

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/bill-of-rights

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/amendments-11-27

A 5th reason why some people keep guns is to kill animals (such as deer) to use for food.
  
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Re: What is the American Gun Mentality all About?
Reply #146 - May 22nd, 2018 at 8:00pm
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Amendment IX can be used to require proveable accurate training of weapon(s) being purchased as a right to keep innocent people from being killed or injured by accidental attack(s), and according to most recent Supreme Court ruling, Amendment IX can be used to prohibit person(s), that have mental illness(es) or felony conviction(s), from getting or using substantial lethally designed weapon(s).

Amendment XIII can negate any requirement of any non-crimeparty affiliated person(s) to carry or weapon(s).  In other words, person(s), that haven't been convicted of crime that a party did, can't be required to carry or use weapon(s) as servitude or slavery.
  
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Re: What is the American Gun Mentality all About?
Reply #147 - May 23rd, 2018 at 3:49pm
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AlayneLeung wrote on May 22nd, 2018 at 8:00pm:
Amendment IX can be used to require proveable accurate training of weapon(s) being purchased as a right to keep innocent people from being killed or injured by accidental attack(s), and according to most recent Supreme Court ruling, Amendment IX can be used to prohibit person(s), that have mental illness(es) or felony conviction(s), from getting or using substantial lethally designed weapon(s).

Amendment XIII can negate any requirement of any non-crimeparty affiliated person(s) to carry or weapon(s).  In other words, person(s), that haven't been convicted of crime that a party did, can't be required to carry or use weapon(s) as servitude or slavery.
What?

The Right to self-defense is a natural Right. The independent States that created the U.S.A. were filled with people who had used arms (including cannons) to win their independence. Many of them owned arms and used them in their daily lives for a variety of purposes. They understood clearly that free people have a Right to be armed in order to defend themselves against all sorts of threats, including the threat of being tyrannized by government.

That's the essence of the "Gun Mentality".
  
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Re: What is the American Gun Mentality all About?
Reply #148 - May 25th, 2018 at 2:50pm
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Yes Billie, that's what I was getting at with my #1 explanation of that reply that I posted on p. 13.
  
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Re: What is the American Gun Mentality all About?
Reply #149 - May 25th, 2018 at 4:23pm
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AlayneLeung wrote on May 25th, 2018 at 2:50pm:
Yes Billie, that's what I was getting at with my #1 explanation of that reply that I posted on p. 13.
It's good to agree.
  
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