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Re: Government Is "God" To The Left
Reply #90 - May 6th, 2018 at 8:11pm
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Jeff wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 7:07pm:
I heard they have children working in coal mines again in Venezuela, and that children in N. Korea are working 35 hours/day in filthy woolen mills...

Working 35 hours/day??   dang.. 

I don't even work 35 hours in a whole week!!    Grin
  

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Re: Government Is "God" To The Left
Reply #91 - May 7th, 2018 at 8:20am
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SkyChief wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 8:11pm:
Working 35 hours/day??   dang.. 

I don't even work 35 hours in a whole week!!    Grin
It proves how much more efficient a "socially responsible system" is.
  

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Reply #92 - May 7th, 2018 at 2:09pm
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Jeff wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 8:20am:
It proves how much more efficient a "socially responsible system" is.


If there is a god to the left then I can say with confidence that it would have to be government.

But I can also say that the 'god' idea is just pure bullshit and so real leftists don't have a god.

The Soviet Union came close to eliminating the god bullshit from it's society but fell a bit short of succeeding. But it set the bar high enough for evolution as the alternative that it's likely going to be one of the first large societies to be completely shod of religion altogether!

Another Marxist success so to speak, along with income taxation!
  
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Reply #93 - May 7th, 2018 at 5:03pm
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If there is a god to the left then I can say with confidence that it would have to be government.

But I can also say that the 'god' idea is just pure bullshit and so real leftists don't have a god.
If you knew anything at all about people, you'd know that they have always sought something greater than themselves in the world, because they felt that there was something greater and wanted to get in touch.

Faith in a God or gods is a human characteristic. Not universal, but almost.

If you present a fabulist scenario like "true communism" to young people, some of them will have faith in it, especially if you won't permit them to express faith in God or gods. Most of them grow out of it when they get a job (which is why there are way to many of them around now, they aren't getting jobs) and almost all the rest become cynical and see the Party as a way to power and wealth.

Anyway, to many humans, faith in something beyond themselves seems to be essential, and "The Great God Socialist System" is better than nothing and sounds sweet if you don't actually think about it!
  

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Reply #94 - May 7th, 2018 at 7:59pm
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Jeff wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 5:03pm:
If you knew anything at all about people, you'd know that they have always sought something greater than themselves in the world, because they felt that there was something greater and wanted to get in touch.


Not really Craig. People have turned to religion as a cruthc to prop them up during hard times of grief. You can get away with saying that even though the cost of believing in sky fairies isn't worth it. You need to face the real world.

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Faith in a God or gods is a human characteristic. Not universal, but almost.


Sure Craig, like I told you it's just bullshit. Worshipping a big rock or a Mammoth bone makes about as much sense as worshipping your sky fairy choice.

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If you present a fabulist scenario like "true communism" to young people, some of them will have faith in it, especially if you won't permit them to express faith in God or gods. Most of them grow out of it when they get a job (which is why there are way to many of them around now, they aren't getting jobs) and almost all the rest become cynical and see the Party as a way to power and wealth.


The truth is, if a child isn't taught the lies when he/she is at an informative age then he/she will be able to live a life free of religious superstition.

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Anyway, to many humans, faith in something beyond themselves seems to be essential, and "The Great God Socialist System" is better than nothing and sounds sweet if you don't actually think about it!


I would suggest faith in the natural world and all the beauty around us. But for you, there's no beauty to see because you're living with a chip on your shoulder because of your bad experience with your union. Not to mention that people like you with guns are always looking for an opportunity to kill. Some stay with killing songbirds for their fix but far too many Americans turn to real live humans.

Anyway, the important thing is that Russian babies are mostly not going to be abused with religious lies from their parents at an early age.

And we know that if you don't fukk up their heads early, you evil christians lose them.
  
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Re: Government Is "God" To The Left
Reply #95 - May 7th, 2018 at 8:13pm
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It's science and freedom of information that is freeing us from the prison of the mind that is religion, and Capitalism has way more to do with it than Communism.
  
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Reply #96 - May 8th, 2018 at 12:11am
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What RubyHypatia wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 8:13pm:
It's science and freedom of information that is freeing us from the prison of the mind that is religion, and Capitalism has way more to do with it than Communism.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_China

Nope! Doesn't appear to be true but I'll entertain a good argument.

And the capitalist US is more religious than other first world democracies.

the point is Rubes, it's slow to decline in the US because parents push it into their children before they are old enough to know that it's lies.

That doesn't happen as much in Russia, which isn't communist btw.


  
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Re: Government Is "God" To The Left
Reply #97 - May 8th, 2018 at 8:40am
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People have turned to religion as a cruthc to prop them up during hard times of grief.


And we know that if you don't fukk up their heads early, you evil christians lose them.
Sure Donat, talk about something you don't know anything about.

Evil collectivist Marxists had/have the idea that if the state takes children at a very early age and totally immerses them in a culture of selfless sharing for the good of the collective, that they will all become perfect communists and none of them will develop dangerous religious 'superstitions'.

How has that worked out?

As soon as the Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of idiot self serving Party members and their idiot self serving bureaucracies, people rebuilt churches and once again openly expressed their faith in God.

You have the world upside down as usual.

People find Faith in all sorts of ways, and then they create religions. Religions didn't come first and invent Faith and start trying to brainwash children into Believing. That doesn't work any better than trying to brainwash people out of having Faith.
  

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Reply #98 - May 8th, 2018 at 2:17pm
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Jeff wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 8:40am:
Sure Donat, talk about something you don't know anything about.

Evil collectivist Marxists had/have the idea that if the state takes children at a very early age and totally immerses them in a culture of selfless sharing for the good of the collective, that they will all become perfect communists and none of them will develop dangerous religious 'superstitions'.

How has that worked out?


In China it's worked out that the country is becoming more capitalist. China is actually evolving into a system in which a blend of communism (or socialism) with capitalism is going to result in 'socially responsible capitlism'.

This is obviously what happens in all communist countries where the US isn't allowed to interfere. And it's happening in Cuba today as the US is excluded more and China's influence is helping them to prosper.

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As soon as the Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of idiot self serving Party members and their idiot self serving bureaucracies, people rebuilt churches and once again openly expressed their faith in God.


Which really is saying that the evil seed of religion wasn't rooted out completely. Nobody becomes a religious believer by themselves. People need to be led astry when they're young enough to bullshit on there being such things as sky fairies. That's what happened to you obviously and now you are stuck in it for the rest of your life. Your children, Bowell and Diedre Sickler, or whichever ones are you children, will be perverted too because of you! That's child abuse Craig.

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You have the world upside down as usual.


I'm happy because I live in one of the happiest countries in the world. We should talk about how to make you happy too! You don't have to feel bad all the time you know.

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People find Faith in all sorts of ways, and then they create religions.


No Craig, it doesn't work that way. People creat religions as a crutch to prop themselves up in times of hardship, grief, and sorrow. If you were 'happy' you wouldn't need yours.

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Religions didn't come first and invent Faith and start trying to brainwash children into Believing. That doesn't work any better than trying to brainwash people out of having Faith.


Religions can come first, second, third, or last, whatever pleases you. Religions brainwash children into believing out of fear of not believing. They tell the children they will burn in hell's fires and all sorts of nasty things.

And parents go along with it and reinforce those fears.

Are you a believer because you fear? Or do you actually get a kick out of having private conversations with the little man under your bed you kneel down to?

Does it talk  back to you or does it just nod it's head sometimes?

Fwiw Craig, for lack of a beter god, I'm accepting government for mine for now at least. 
  
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Re: Government Is "God" To The Left
Reply #99 - May 8th, 2018 at 2:31pm
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In China it's worked out that the country is becoming more capitalist. 
Yes, the leaders of the Chinese Communist Party needed more money, and finally realized that unless they allowed some economic freedom (in the form of crony capitalism) they were going to go the way of the Soviet Union.

But they still take children and try to turn them into pure communists, and they still persecute anybody who does anything that even looks slightly like religion.
  

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