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Apr 30th, 2018 at 10:18am
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lets say the myth abought the founding of asustail was true u get convited of a crime soof u get convitcted u get the chouse to go to the pen or go to a ankerkist zone with ur person and perporty and then be   on ur own be libertarian 
  
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Reply #1 - Apr 30th, 2018 at 10:49am
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thermf5 wrote on Apr 30th, 2018 at 10:18am:
lets say the myth abought the founding of asustail was true u get convited of a crime soof u get convitcted u get the chouse to go to the pen or go to a ankerkist zone with ur person and perporty and then be   on ur own be libertarian 
How about you just get deported to somewhere in the world that is currently anarchic?

I suppose you want your "anarchic zone" to be under the protection of the U.S. government?

Australia was not anarchic when it was used as a British penal colony.
  
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Reply #2 - Apr 30th, 2018 at 10:59am
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thermf5 wrote on Apr 30th, 2018 at 10:18am:
lets say the myth abought the founding of asustail was true u get convited of a crime soof u get convitcted u get the chouse to go to the pen or go to a ankerkist zone with ur person and perporty and then be  on ur own be libertarian 

They made a movie about this place you are decsribing.

Papillon [1973].  A penal colony on Devil's Island, 10 miles off the coast of French Guiana.  It was a self-sustaining anarchy with its own libertarian rule of law.

Really good movie, btw.
  
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Reply #3 - Apr 30th, 2018 at 11:15am
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SkyChief wrote on Apr 30th, 2018 at 10:59am:
They made a movie about this place you are decsribing.

Papillon [1973].  A penal colony on Devil's Island, 10 miles off the coast of French Guiana.  It was a self-sustaining anarchy with its own libertarian rule of law.

Really good movie, btw.
Sounds like he wants something more like "Escape from New York" 1981 or "No Escape" 1994.   If I remember correctly, there were guards on Devil's Island.
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 30th, 2018 at 4:21pm
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ahhell wrote on Apr 30th, 2018 at 11:15am:
Sounds like he wants something more like "Escape from New York" 1981 or "No Escape" 1994.   If I remember correctly, there were guards on Devil's Island.
There were guards, but as I remember they were portrayed in the movies as little more than a barbaric gang.



  
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Reply #5 - Apr 30th, 2018 at 11:43pm
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I think this would be an ideal final solution to libertarianism. Cordon off a section of, let's say, California. If libertarians have any property outside of that section, buy them out of it and give them an equal amount of property inside the section.

Withdraw all forms of taxes and benefits from the section.

Throw a party when they all eat each other.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #6 - May 1st, 2018 at 9:16am
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The Opposition wrote on Apr 30th, 2018 at 11:43pm:
I think this would be an ideal final solution to libertarianism. Cordon off a section of, let's say, California. If libertarians have any property outside of that section, buy them out of it and give them an equal amount of property inside the section.

Withdraw all forms of taxes and benefits from the section.

Throw a party when they all eat each other.
Libertarians are not anarchists.

Your hatred of the ideas of individual liberty and personal responsibility and autonomy make you stupid.
  
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Reply #7 - May 1st, 2018 at 11:26am
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Jeff wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 9:16am:
Libertarians are not anarchists.

Your hatred of the ideas of individual liberty and personal responsibility and autonomy make you stupid.

i think u dont get it  individual liberty when there is no coultre or conmunty where u are the ruler og ur self  and its individual responsibility is where u are olny resple for ur self and olny ur self  i think u don t understand minerkist consecpts
  
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Reply #8 - May 1st, 2018 at 10:07pm
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Jeff wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 9:16am:
Libertarians are not anarchists.

Your hatred of the ideas of individual liberty and personal responsibility and autonomy make you stupid.


So if I just said "final solution to Anarchy" instead of to libertarianism I'd be... not stupid?

There's a problem with saying libertarianism is not anarchy, and that's the NAP, coupled with the fact that without force, the government cannot exist.
  

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Reply #9 - May 2nd, 2018 at 8:01am
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thermf5 wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 11:26am:
i think u dont get it  individual liberty when there is no coultre or conmunty where u are the ruler og ur self  and its individual responsibility is where u are olny resple for ur self and olny ur self  i think u don t understand minerkist consecpts
I do. They are embedded in the U.S. Constitution.

It is you who are confusing minarchist with anarchist.
  
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