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New Law: Death Penalty For Convicted Cop Killers
May 4th, 2018 at 11:31am
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Boston Police Commissioner William B. Evans is joining a chorus of legislators who want to see the death penalty considered for those who are convicted of killing a cop.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2018/05/bostons_top_cop_death_pe...


“One of the first things I’d do in terms of executive order, if I win, will be to sign a strong, strong statement that would go out to the country, out to the world, that anybody killing a police man, a police woman, a police officer, anybody killing a police officer, the death penalty is going to happen.” - Trump

This is wrong and unconstitutional, IMO.

It places a higher value on the lives of a select group of people.  It means that some people are worth more than others.  That's a slippery slope we need to avoid.
  
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Reply #1 - May 4th, 2018 at 11:42am
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Only the rich would be able to afford a defense.

Only black people will face the death penalty

Any cop killing will be judged as murder regardless of the circumstances.

And the US moves in the opposite direction from being more progressive and becomes more regressive and behind the rest of the civilized world.
  
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Reply #2 - May 4th, 2018 at 11:17pm
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Only black people will face the death penalty


What if the new law was for white offenders only? I personally wouldn't find anything wrong with it then.

Like banning guns, it would result in less aggression while being a rights-violating policy in its own right.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: New Law: Death Penalty For Convicted Cop Killers
Reply #3 - May 4th, 2018 at 11:48pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 11:31am:
Boston Police Commissioner William B. Evans is joining a chorus of legislators who want to see the death penalty considered for those who are convicted of killing a cop.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2018/05/bostons_top_cop_death_pe...


“One of the first things I’d do in terms of executive order, if I win, will be to sign a strong, strong statement that would go out to the country, out to the world, that anybody killing a police man, a police woman, a police officer, anybody killing a police officer, the death penalty is going to happen.” - Trump

This is wrong and unconstitutional, IMO.

It places a higher value on the lives of a select group of people.  It means that some people are worth more than others.  That's a slippery slope we need to avoid.

some cops deserve to die and this is a sliply slope if u value life then u should be anti death pentialy then agin i feal that rapeists should get the death pentialy and that there needs to be a higher amought evidence to get the death penalty
  
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Re: New Law: Death Penalty For Convicted Cop Killers
Reply #4 - May 5th, 2018 at 1:27am
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thermf5 wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 11:48pm:
some cops deserve to die and this is a sliply slope if u value life then u should be anti death pentialy then agin i feal that rapeists should get the death pentialy and that there needs to be a higher amought evidence to get the death penalty

I do value life...  I also support capital punishment. 

But not as it is applied here, because if allowed to pass, this Cop Killer Law gives the State the power to assign different values of life for different people.

If a person should get the Death Penalty for killing a cop, he/she should get the Death Penalty for killing you or me. Or even Don_G, for that matter.

I don't want the State to put a price-tag on my (or anyone's) life. 

The State could have a certain penalty for beating a child with an I.Q. of 145 and impose a lesser penalty for beating a child with an I.Q. of 82. 

That's the slippery-slope.
  
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Reply #5 - May 5th, 2018 at 1:34am
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SkyChief wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 1:27am:
I do value life...  I also support capital punishment. 

But not as it is applied here, because if allowed to pass, this Cop Killer Law gives the State the power to assign different values of life for different people.

If a person should get the Death Penalty for killing a cop, he/she should get the Death Penalty for killing you or me.  Or even Don_G, for that matter.

I don't want the State to put a price-tag on my (or anyone's) life.  That's the slippery-slope.


Credit where credit is due Chief. That is real libertarianism!

You may not want to know this but it's also very socialist or 'socially' responsible.

The only thing is, the LP will probably not agree.
  
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Re: New Law: Death Penalty For Convicted Cop Killers
Reply #6 - May 5th, 2018 at 8:12am
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SkyChief wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 1:27am:
I do value life...  I also support capital punishment. 

But not as it is applied here, because if allowed to pass, this Cop Killer Law gives the State the power to assign different values of life for different people.

If a person should get the Death Penalty for killing a cop, he/she should get the Death Penalty for killing you or me. Or even Don_G, for that matter.

I don't want the State to put a price-tag on my (or anyone's) life. 

The State could have a certain penalty for beating a child with an I.Q. of 145 and impose a lesser penalty for beating a child with an I.Q. of 82. 

That's the slippery-slope.
We've been sliding down that slope for a while now Chief, our governments have made themselves Sovereign and granted themselves all sorts of privileges and immunities.

I agree, the law should apply equally to everyone.
http://reason.com/archives/2018/05/04/conservatives-need-to-put-aside-kneejerk?u...
  
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Reply #7 - May 5th, 2018 at 1:50pm
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Jeff wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 8:12am:
We've been sliding down that slope for a while now Chief, our governments have made themselves Sovereign and granted themselves all sorts of privileges and immunities.

I agree, the law should apply equally to everyone.
http://reason.com/archives/2018/05/04/conservatives-need-to-put-aside-kneejerk?u...


The move toward 'socially responsible capitalism' by both of you is unmistakable!

You'll both scream 'is not, is not, is not' but it definitely is!

I think burnsred has handed me a huge gift by staying out of the really important conversations. He invests time into being convincing and that was always a distraction. Now we've been able to make some progress.

Thanks burnsred!

I've been able to kick ass on Norway's prison system, socially responsible capitalism, and especially universal health care.

Embarrassed
  
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Re: New Law: Death Penalty For Convicted Cop Killers
Reply #8 - May 5th, 2018 at 11:28pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 1:27am:
I do value life...  I also support capital punishment. 

But not as it is applied here, because if allowed to pass, this Cop Killer Law gives the State the power to assign different values of life for different people.

If a person should get the Death Penalty for killing a cop, he/she should get the Death Penalty for killing you or me. Or even Don_G, for that matter.

I don't want the State to put a price-tag on my (or anyone's) life. 

The State could have a certain penalty for beating a child with an I.Q. of 145 and impose a lesser penalty for beating a child with an I.Q. of 82. 

That's the slippery-slope.

i value the individual not the life thay  have when the individual becomes  a highery of a family or comiuty thay become eival i think u dont understand the idea of indivialism where is this one law u are the ruler of ur self any one one that try to rule over u u can kill u dont uderstand if u get rid of state power then grops of people will try to recarte the vary thing u hate privetly untill the equly rights of humans are universally acknowledged ur just asking for another government that u crappity smack u over u think prite compy can froce mopnly or there agina on to people tho  soshial conditioning human nature is what we are fighting we must become post humans in order to fix the problem
  
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Re: New Law: Death Penalty For Convicted Cop Killers
Reply #9 - May 6th, 2018 at 9:41am
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The move toward 'socially responsible capitalism' by both of you is unmistakable!
We are actually talking about law here Donat dear, not economics.

I know Marxists believe that law and economics are inseparable, imagining as you do that all economic activity must be directed by the law, just as all law must come from the Party... at least until a "socialist system" has been created and the Party can wither away and stop tyrannizing and killing people! Cry
  
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