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World Still Embraces Marx's Socialism
May 5th, 2018 at 11:36am
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And it seems to be growing as people pull away from capitalism. The US has 39% of the people either strongly agree or somewhat agree. Canada has 49%!

It's the happy blend of socialist policies and capitalism that the world is moving toward. Bernie Sanders opened a lot of eyes in the US and if not for the corruption of capitalism by the major parties could have become the president.

It's going to have an influence on the next election in the US, even though the media won't acknowledge it.
  
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Re: World Still Embraces Marx's Socialism
Reply #1 - May 5th, 2018 at 12:12pm
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Capitalism in Marx's time richly deserved condemnation of course. The model was Dickensian England which was likely the most evil form of government ever known to human kind. Not just for their own people but for the conquered and vanquished nations that fell under British rule.

That's what you get to argue for Craig!

Marx offered his alternative which is also unacceptable in it's whole. But Marx offered 'socially' responsible ideas or 'socialism' which still lives on strongly today.

That's what I'm proposing to you pseudo-libertarians. Libertarianism won't work and can't work so it's time to stop treading water with it. Evil capitalism looms large in your American futures!!

Socially responsible capitalism is the answer. All that's needed now if for Americans to break through their pre-programming the greedy capitalists have snookered you all with. The light will shine through your clouds of doom and gloom and you'll finally see the light.

All of us in the world's happiest countries are waiting for you!
  
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Re: World Still Embraces Marx's Socialism
Reply #2 - May 5th, 2018 at 12:34pm
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Don_G wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 12:12pm:
Evil capitalism looms large in your American futures!!

Socially responsible capitalism is the answer. All that's needed now if for Americans to break through their pre-programming the greedy capitalists have snookered you all with. The light will shine through your clouds of doom and gloom and you'll finally see the light.

All of us in the world's happiest countries are waiting for you!

Don't hold your breath.

The Land Of The Gun is light years away from the socialist world order you long for.  Freedom and Liberty still mean something here.
  
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Reply #3 - May 5th, 2018 at 12:48pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 12:34pm:
Don't hold your breath.

The Land Of The Gun is light years away from the socialist world order you long for.  Freedom and Liberty still mean something here.


Right Chief, you call it the socialist world order I long for because you could actually think that's what it is. You're possibly not capable of seeing it in any other light?

But it's really 'socially responsible capitalism' that I'm talking about and have always been pushing you towards.

I understand your position so there's no need to explain it again. I just am interested in knowing that you fully understand mine. No matter how dimwitted a libertarian is, he surely would understand by now.
  
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Reply #4 - May 5th, 2018 at 12:52pm
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SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE CAPITALISM!

Isn't it ironic that Americans fear those words! What's that all about?

they're words everybody should embrace, even if they give the words a different meaning.

Would Trump claim that his capitalism is socially irresponsible.

The truth seems to be, some power has entered your heads and has taken control. think about it sometime!
  
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Reply #5 - May 5th, 2018 at 1:03pm
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Don_G wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE CAPITALISM!

Isn't it ironic that Americans fear those words! What's that all about?


We know that SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE CAPITALISM is just a code phrase for higher taxes, bigger government, and re-distribution.

Libertarians want to reduce taxes and limit government.  That's why we cringe when we hear the phrase.
  
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Reply #6 - May 5th, 2018 at 1:13pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 1:03pm:
We know that SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE CAPITALISM is just a code phrase for higher taxes, bigger government, and re-distribution.

Libertarians want to reduce taxes and limit government.  That's why we cringe when we hear the phrase.


Sure Chief, you can pretend it's code. I'm o.k. with that for now too. I'm not expecting to turn you, of all people. You're probably the most persistent on this board with the libertarian idea.

Honestly, my agenda is to gradually turn the others and leave you sitting by yourself.

I'm not expecting the others to acknowledge they have been turned, because that would be far too humiliating for them.

I'm already hearing a silence from them on libertarian agenda promotion. They don't and they voice their opposition to it regularly. In truth, you've already been isolated. I'm just not sure if most of it happened even before I started on this forum.

What is libertarian about it honestly??
  
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Reply #7 - May 5th, 2018 at 2:20pm
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Don_G wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 1:13pm:
Honestly, my agenda is to gradually turn the others and leave you sitting by yourself.

I don't doubt that for a second.

Don_G wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 1:13pm:
I'm not expecting the others to acknowledge they have been turned, because that would be far too humiliating for them.

Nobody is 100% libertarian.  That applies on this forum.  IMO, many of the (active) posters here are libertarian sympathizers, rather than libertarians.   So they haven't really been "turned" - there's really no admission to be made.

Don_G wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 1:13pm:
I'm already hearing a silence from them on libertarian agenda promotion. They don't and they voice their opposition to it regularly. In truth, you've already been isolated.

I'ts funny, but I don't feel isolated.  Maybe I'm like the frog in the water being slowly boiled.   Cheesy
  
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Re: World Still Embraces Marx's Socialism
Reply #8 - May 5th, 2018 at 3:12pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 2:20pm:
I don't doubt that for a second.

Nobody is 100% libertarian.  That applies on this forum.  IMO, many of the (active) posters here are libertarian sympathizers, rather than libertarians.   So they haven't really been "turned" - there's really no admission to be made.


I'm fine with that. I'm just trying to get them to speak out about their libertarian ideas in more specific terms.

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I'ts funny, but I don't feel isolated.  Maybe I'm like the frog in the water being slowly boiled.   Cheesy

  
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Re: World Still Embraces Marx's Socialism
Reply #9 - May 6th, 2018 at 8:48am
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Don_G wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 3:12pm:
I'm fine with that. I'm just trying to get them to speak out about their libertarian ideas in more specific terms.

I've seen quite a bit of that, but nothing yet from you about your "socially responsible" ideas.

Marx is your Prophet, that's clear, but is what you are advocating really "revolutionary terrorism"?
  
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