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Re: World Still Embraces Marx's Socialism
Reply #10 - May 6th, 2018 at 11:52am
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Billie wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 8:48am:
I've seen quite a bit of that, but nothing yet from you about your "socially responsible" ideas.

Marx is your Prophet, that's clear, but is what you are advocating really "revolutionary terrorism"?


I've said a lot about my socially responsible ideas. Burnsred and I even came to the right conclusion on Norway's very socially responsible prison system. Did you finally come to agreement along with us?

And the other huge topic of course is universal health care, which I assume you accept as the only way. At least you're not so stupid that you would praise your country's 'for profit' health care.

You remaining silent is huge progress toward my goal Craig.

Then another topic that has been broached just recently is the socially responsible practice of government subsidizing farmers so that valuable food can be saved and distributed to the needy.

Three positive topics where libertarians are left behind in the dust moaning ang groaning about big government. Or whatever is pissing them off today?
  
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Re: World Still Embraces Marx's Socialism
Reply #11 - May 6th, 2018 at 4:25pm
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Don_G wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 11:52am:
I've said a lot about my socially responsible ideas.
Yes yes, blah blah, who cares.

The idea of "socially responsible" is subjective and changeable over time and place.

Blathering a lot about something is not defining it as you see it.

Why not give that a try?

Perhaps you could explain how the government of Venezuela turned out to be so irresponsible and greedy?
  
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Re: World Still Embraces Marx's Socialism
Reply #12 - May 6th, 2018 at 4:50pm
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Marx was too narrow minded and ignorant and ill-informed of the liberal ideas of his time to learn about them.

He saw only the Beast he called capitalism, which was nothing more than the existing system of Kings and Barons taking over the reins of the new prosperity created by science and improved methods of doing virtually everything so that the Kings and Barons and Cronies (the elite) could continue to suck wealth from working people, only they now had more to steal. Lots more.

In his ignorance, Marx imagined a new Emperor (the Party Leader) and a new Nobility (the Bureaucrats) as the new Prophets and Pharisees of his new Religion, a "Socialist System".

Just as the Prophets of Radical Islamic Terrorism are currently wrong about how to bring peace and plenty to the world, so was the Great Prophet Marx.

Edit: There will be in every generation, a few people willing to accept Marx as a Prophet, and some of them will be willing to become Marxist Revolutionary Terrorists.

Civilized people can deal with them if they are permitted to deal with them.
  
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Re: World Still Embraces Marx's Socialism
Reply #13 - May 6th, 2018 at 7:14pm
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Billie wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 4:50pm:
Marx was too narrow minded and ignorant and ill-informed of the liberal ideas of his time to learn about them.

He saw only the Beast he called capitalism, which was nothing more than the existing system of Kings and Barons taking over the reins of the new prosperity created by science and improved methods of doing virtually everything so that the Kings and Barons and Cronies (the elite) could continue to suck wealth from working people, only they now had more to steal. Lots more.

In his ignorance, Marx imagined a new Emperor (the Party Leader) and a new Nobility (the Bureaucrats) as the new Prophets and Pharisees of his new Religion, a "Socialist System".

Just as the Prophets of Radical Islamic Terrorism are currently wrong about how to bring peace and plenty to the world, so was the Great Prophet Marx.

Edit: There will be in every generation, a few people willing to accept Marx as a Prophet, and some of them will be willing to become Marxist Revolutionary Terrorists.

Civilized people can deal with them if they are permitted to deal with them.


In truth Marx is mainly responsible for socially responsible capitalism. Capitalism always needed to be modified from US style capitalism and Dickensian England's capitalism, which are basically the same, into capitalism as practiced in the world's happiest countries today.

So far nobody has come up with anything better!

Thank you Karl, and happy 200th!
  
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Reply #14 - May 6th, 2018 at 7:15pm
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Don_G wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 7:14pm:
In truth Marx is mainly responsible for socially responsible capitalism.
That's what I've been saying, but Marx is dead. It's his current Believers who are responsible for Venezuela and N. Korea and most of the death and destruction in Africa.
  
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Reply #15 - May 7th, 2018 at 12:37am
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Billie wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 7:15pm:
That's what I've been saying, but Marx is dead. It's his current Believers who are responsible for Venezuela and N. Korea and most of the death and destruction in Africa.


Since the Vietnam war in which the US slaughterd millions for no reason than blood lust, the US has been responsible for over 90% of the deaths caused by military actions in foreign countries. The US toll long ago eclipsed Nazi Germany's.

Why do Americans always applaud their wars of aggression. Why has there not been a mass execution of US political criminals for the deaths caused in the Iraq war?

Why is Craig Sicler the only one on this forum who celebrates that horrible slaughter?

Can it be connected to his racism?
  
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Re: World Still Embraces Marx's Socialism
Reply #16 - May 7th, 2018 at 8:49am
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Don_G wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 12:37am:
Since the Vietnam war in which the US slaughterd millions for no reason than blood lust, the US has been responsible for over 90% of the deaths caused by military actions in foreign countries.
That says nothing about the murder and starvation promulgated by Marxists in their own countries or of Marxist "insurgencies" instigated and supported by "socially responsible governments" or the collapse of country after country into anarchy after Marxist insurgents destabilized their governments.

No matter, libertarians in general have opposed U.S. involvement in every foreign war since the Mexican War, but their voices were lost in the "progressive" clamor to create an American Empire and make the world "safe for democracy" or "the American Way" or "Crony Capitalism" or whatever else.

And BTW, never since the beginning were Marxists anything but a well organized minority willing to engage in "revolutionary terrorism".

A bunch of poorly educated and therefor ignorant students yelling about the glories of"'revolution" does not indicate that
the "world embraces Marx's socialism", not even if they are supported by Marxist governments.

"The world" is much larger than Marxist governments and radicalized students combined.
  
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Re: World Still Embraces Marx's Socialism
Reply #17 - May 7th, 2018 at 12:08pm
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Don_G wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 12:37am:
Since the Vietnam war in which the US slaughterd millions for no reason than blood lust, the US has been responsible for over 90% of the deaths caused by military actions in foreign countries.

I'm not disputing the 90% of the deaths caused by military actions in foreign countries, but the reason the US was involved in Viet Nam (and Korea) was NOT "blood lust".

It was to prevent the malignant cancer of Communism from spreading. The US failed miserably in both cases.  It should have taught the US to steer clear of entanglements in foreign affairs.  It didn't.

Today the US is engaged in many foreign civil wars.
  
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Re: World Still Embraces Marx's Socialism
Reply #18 - May 7th, 2018 at 12:21pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 12:08pm:
I'm not disputing the 90% of the deaths caused by military actions in foreign countries, but the reason the US was involved in Viet Nam (and Korea) was NOT "blood lust".

It was to prevent the malignant cancer of Communism from spreading. The US failed miserably in both cases.  It should have taught the US to steer clear of entanglements in foreign affairs.  It didn't.

Today the US is engaged in many foreign civil wars.


I'm amazed that you would still be promoting the bullshit of the dominoes tumbling. That says a lot about you. Your programmed hate for communism caused you to speak out before thinking that issue through. It tells me that you are ready to accept your country's next war, regardless of how the lies are promoted.

Raimondo has written yet another promotion article on Trump. It starts out as a criticism of Marx but it morphs into something else. But a lot of truths are revealed in the comments. Raimondo now has a bunch of antiwar 'libertarians' reading his articles who are much more intelligent than he is. Some of them aren't so brainwashed by their country's propaganda that they are able to be objective.

Interesting too that the moderator Thomas Knapp is left flounderinig trying to support Raimondo.

https://original.antiwar.com/justin/2018/05/06/variations-on-a-theme-of-the-revo...

Eric Margolis also writes a good one on Trump and his position on the Iran deal. 

I can at least lead horses to water!
  
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Re: World Still Embraces Marx's Socialism
Reply #19 - May 7th, 2018 at 12:30pm
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Don_G wrote on May 7th, 2018 at 12:21pm:
I'm amazed that you would still be promoting the bullshit of the dominoes tumbling. That says a lot about you.

You've completely misunderstood me, then.  Im not promoting US intervention in foreign wars. I'm against the US getting involved in foreign wars.

I've always contended that the last war the US had any (valid) reason to be in was WW II. 

You're deliberately misrepresenting what I've said.   Whatever.
  
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