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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #10 - May 8th, 2018 at 7:30pm
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Jeff wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 6:37pm:
]Your[/i] ideologies probably tell you that is that is "socialist" ideologies that FuKKde up Venezuela and made it a shithole for everybody but the "elites", who should be tried and hung?

Unless you like Maduro and his boy?


Venezuela, another victim of evil US aggression.
  
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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #11 - May 8th, 2018 at 8:03pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Venezuela, another victim of evil US aggression.
The U.S government installed Chavez and then arranged for Maduro to take over?

I bet you're right. The masterminds at the CIA probably figured it all out as a way to discredit "socialism", again...

Why won't the evil CiA get out of the way and let a global "socialist system" grow and bloom into paradise on earth?

Are radical Islamist Caliphate Dreamers as big a threat to the global "socialist system" blooming as is the nasty CIA?
  
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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #12 - May 8th, 2018 at 8:14pm
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Jeff wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 8:03pm:
The U.S government installed Chavez and then arranged for Maduro to take over?

I bet you're right. The masterminds at the CIA probably figured it all out as a way to discredit "socialism", again...

Why won't the evil CiA get out of the way and let a global "socialist system" grow and bloom into paradise on earth?

Are radical Islamist Caliphate Dreamers as big a threat to the global "socialist system" blooming as is the nasty CIA?


I understand that all this hate you are expressing for others is due to the egregious 'emotional ruin' you suffered because you didn't want to pay your union dues.

Craig, you need to start believing that it wasn't your fault!

Ask burnsred to explain to you in a calm way why it's not your fault.   
  
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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #13 - May 9th, 2018 at 8:35am
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The sad truth is that the US could relieve the suffering overnight by opening a swap line at the Fed to supply Venezuela with dollars.  It does this on a regular basis for obedient governments.  Or the IMF could help.

The problem with Venezuela is not really socialism -- Israel had a socialist experiment for a while and was happily propped up by Washington.  Venezuela under Chavez and his chosen successor Maduro has been disobedient, and disobedient leaders must be seen to be taught a lesson, or the entire imperial structure collapses.  ('The mafia principle,' as Noam Chomsky calls it.)

The pressure will be applied until the regime changes.

'Socialism' is a grey scale that all countries are guilty of to some extent.  The US is 'socialist' at the core monetary and financial level (centralized power exercised 'for the good of the people.')  Never mind all the other countries.

Certainly, Venezuela's policies didn't help.  If Singapore rebelled, for example, a totally different set of pressures would have to be used instead.  But the key is not policy, but toeing the imperial line to help support the dollar and all other US levers of power.
  
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Reply #14 - May 9th, 2018 at 12:03pm
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Socialism is the cause of the Venezuelan misery. Venezuelans are starving, eating garbage, losing weight. Children are malnourished. Most people in Venezuela would be happy to eat out of America’s trashcans.

There are the freedom fighters of Venezuela - "la resistencia".  They oppose the socialist Maduro regime, and often are killed when identified as la resistencia.

Historically, that's how most brutal dictators behave  - when an individual, or a group of people speak out against a tyrannibal government, simply KILL them.   

https://mises.org/library/how-socialism-ruined-venezuela
  
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Reply #15 - May 9th, 2018 at 12:57pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 9th, 2018 at 12:03pm:
Socialism is the cause of the Venezuelan misery. Venezuelans are starving, eating garbage, losing weight. Children are malnourished. Most people in Venezuela would be happy to eat out of America’s trashcans.


Don't you understand that's no more than an expression of hate?

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There are the freedom fighters of Venezuela - "la resistencia".  They oppose the socialist Maduro regime, and often are killed when identified as la resistencia.


It's always been my contention that small countries such as Venezuela, Cuba, Antigua, and other victims of US aggression would have done fine without US aggression. You support that aggreession quite obviously.

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Historically, that's how most brutal dictators behave  - when an individual, or a group of people speak out against a tyrannibal government, simply KILL them.


Or it could be seen as the US infiltrating the country with traitors in order to overthrow the elected government. Syria is a good example to offer you because it will force you to contradict yourself.   

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Reply #16 - May 9th, 2018 at 1:14pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on May 9th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
Don't you understand that's no more than an expression of hate?

To a moonbat, perhaps.  But its a fact that can't be denied.   Incidentally, that was written by a Venezuelan, not me.


Sicklers Dink wrote on May 9th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
It's always been my contention that small countries such as Venezuela, Cuba, Antigua, and other victims of US aggression would have done fine without US aggression. You support that aggreession quite obviously.

Lie. I have stated on NUMEROUS occasions that the US should never intervene into foreign affairs. And you know it. You're a liar, and everyone most members on this forum know it.   


Sicklers Dink wrote on May 9th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
Or it could be seen as the US infiltrating the country with traitors in order to overthrow the elected government. Syria is a good example to offer you because it will force you to contradict yourself.   

The US has never had brutal dictators that kill people who oppose them.  Maduro does it, though. And so did Fidel Castro.  Your point is irrelevant.


Sicklers Dink wrote on May 9th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
Mises has a lot in common with Trump and Bolton. It's the extreme right as opposed to the extreme left.

Mises is a libertarian think-tank. It's neither left nor right.    You seem to have a very narrow scope of vision where it comes to politics.


  
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Reply #17 - May 9th, 2018 at 1:26pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 9th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
To a moonbat, perhaps.  But its a fact that can't be denied.   Incidentally, that was written by a Venezuelan, not me.

It's your expression of hate even though you are now trying to distance yourself from it.

How ridiculous is it to say that some people from Venezuela wouldn't be opposed to Maduro?


[quote]Lie. I have stated on NUMEROUS occasions that the US should never intervene into foreign affairs. And you know it. You're a liar, and everyone most members on this forum know it.


Yes, I know what you have stated, yet you write (repeat?) expressions of pure hate. That one was really sickening and now you own it. 


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The US has never had brutal dictators that kill people who oppose them.  Maduro does it, though. And so did Fidel Castro.  Your point is irrelevant.


None of the US's war criminal presidents could be called a dictator; that is true. But the US is on record for slaughtering millions of innocents in foreign wars of aggression since WW2 alone.

And now the march is on to slaughter more in Iran. But that's not your fault is it mr. America!


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Mises is a libertarian think-tank. It's neither left nor right.    You seem to have a very narrow scope of vision where it comes to politics.


Ridiculous! You can't even take the time to put forward a logical argument.



  
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Reply #18 - May 9th, 2018 at 1:48pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on May 9th, 2018 at 1:26pm:
Yes, I know what you have stated, yet you write (repeat?) expressions of pure hate. That one was really sickening and now you own it. 

As a moonbat, you percieve it as hate, but in reality, it's not.   

Anyone who disagress with the Leftist agenda is either stupid, or crazy.   Of course, neither is is actually true, but you moonbats double-down on it anyway.

You reject the truth, and you reject facts, because most often they dont jibe with Leftist ideals.

"A fact to a liberal is like kryptonite is to Superman." - Larry Elder

Here are some more discomforting FACTS about Venezuela that you Leftists will choose to reject or ignore:

"Despite the high levels of economic freedom that existed during those years, government legislation started to chip away at that freedom. Changes included the nationalization of the telephone company, the creation of numerous state-owned companies, and state-owned banks. That happened in 1950. The Venezuelan government thus began sowing the seeds of destruction, and you can see the continued deterioration in the level of economic freedom in the decade of the 1950s."


"The first democratically elected president was Rómulo Betancourt. He was a communist-turned-social democrat. In fact, while he was in exile, he founded the Communist Party in Costa Rica and helped found the Communist Party in Colombia as well. Not surprisingly, as president, he started destroying the economic institutions we had by implementing price controls, rent controls, and other regulations we hadn’t had before. On top of that, he and his allies created a new constitution that was hostile to private property."

Socialism destroyed Venezuela.
  
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Reply #19 - May 9th, 2018 at 2:04pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 9th, 2018 at 1:48pm:
As a moonbat, you percieve it as hate, but in reality, it's not.   

Anyone who disagress with the Leftist agenda is either stupid, or crazy.   Of course, neither is is actually true, but you moonbats double-down on it anyway.

You reject the truth, and you reject facts, because most often they dont jibe with Leftist ideals.

"A fact to a liberal is like kryptonite is to Superman." - Larry Elder

Here are some more discomforting FACTS about Venezuela that you Leftists will choose to reject or ignore:

"Despite the high levels of economic freedom that existed during those years, government legislation started to chip away at that freedom. Changes included the nationalization of the telephone company, the creation of numerous state-owned companies, and state-owned banks. That happened in 1950. The Venezuelan government thus began sowing the seeds of destruction, and you can see the continued deterioration in the level of economic freedom in the decade of the 1950s."


"The first democratically elected president was Rómulo Betancourt. He was a communist-turned-social democrat. In fact, while he was in exile, he founded the Communist Party in Costa Rica and helped found the Communist Party in Colombia as well. Not surprisingly, as president, [b]he started destroying the economic institutions we had by implementing price controls, rent controls, and other regulations we hadn’t had before. On top of that, he and his allies created a new constitution that was hostile to private property."[/b]

Socialism destroyed Venezuela.


Quoted from Business Insider.

You are telling me that nationalizing some industries is wrong and should be condemned. You're pointing out with that quote from a rightist US source that your ideology disagrees with mine. That's obviously true.

But you still have to own your hateful statement you are trying to distance yourself from.

Present me with something that is debatable. The paragraph I have bolded contains nothing I would just automatically condemn. In fact, most of it is consistent with my ideology. Some might possibly be too extreme for a 'socially responsible capitalist country such as Canada, but nothing jumps out as being so yet.

You very definitely are tending toward fascism with your extremist views. It's not quite you but it is when you've been forced into taking extremist positions.
  
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