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Reply #280 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 5:56pm
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SkyChief wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 5:54pm:
The thing is, it's not Pompeo's job to "deliver democracy" to Venezuela.   The US should not interfere in the political turmoil in Venezuela.


They're just giving socialists a grounds for objecting.

"But, capitalists interfered! Socialism would work if you'd leave it alone!"
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #281 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 5:59pm
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The Opposition wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 5:56pm:
They're just giving socialists a grounds for objecting.

"But, capitalists interfered! Socialism would work if you'd leave it alone!"
You're right, they are working as a team!
  
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Reply #282 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 6:01pm
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SkyChief wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 5:54pm:
As it turns out, I was right to ask if the withdrawal of US diplomats was preparation for military intervention.

earlier today,,  Pompeo said

"...every option is on the table to deliver to the Venezuelan people the democracy they deserve."

When he says EVERY OPTION, that's code for military option.
Umm, Chief, "every" is inclusive of all.
  
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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #283 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 6:03pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 5:47pm:
Sad isn't it? Making the World Safe for Democracy and exporting democracy around the world has had very bad effects, just as too much democracy is having a bad effect on America.

Yes.

Making the "World Safe for Democracy" is a pathetic excuse for advancing US imperialism.

The US needs to stop meddling in the affairs of foreign countries.   TJ said it best:

"Let our affairs be disentangled from those of all other nations, except as to commerce" - Thomas Jefferson
  
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Reply #284 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 6:07pm
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SkyChief wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 5:54pm:
The Foreign Affairs Rep recognized Pompeo's hint of military force, and quickly warned:

"The crisis that affects [Venezuela] has political and institutional causes - it's not a natural disaster, and it's solution needs to be peaceful, political, and democratic.

We believe that NO military development from inside or outside of the country would be acceptable."
Did the EU guy express any concern that intervention in Venezuela by China and Russia might be a problem in connection with free and fair elections?

That was the problem last election in Venezuela, massive fraud elected Maduro... Where was the EU's restraining influence then?
  
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Reply #285 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 6:08pm
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SkyChief wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 6:03pm:
Yes.

Making the "World Safe for Democracy" is a pathetic excuse for advancing US imperialism.

It's much worse than that Chief, it's a plan to make the entire world democratic.

I wish they'd smarten up and stop...
  
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Reply #286 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 6:10pm
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SkyChief wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 11:21am:
We believe that NO military development from inside or outside of the country would be acceptable."[/color][/i]
They want to preserve Maduro's military if that is possible, and thus keep Maduro in power?
  
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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #287 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 7:33pm
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Jeff wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 6:07pm:
Did the EU guy express any concern that intervention in Venezuela by China and Russia might be a problem in connection with free and fair elections?
He didnt make any reference to elections in Venezuela, so I can't really say.

Jeff wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 6:10pm:
They want to preserve Maduro's military if that is possible, and thus keep Maduro in power?
No.    

The European Foreign Affairs Council recognizes Venezuela as a sovereign State.   

They know that if any regime change is to happen, it must be initiated by the People of Venezuela - NOT the US (or any other foreign interest).

Hopefully, Trump will heed the EFAC's warning to stay out of the affairs of Venezuela.

Also, Russia backs Maduro, and any Miltary strike by the US might upset the delicate situation the US has with Russia.  I read that Russia currently has military assets in Venezuela.   

Any misstep by the US could would be a disaster.
  
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Reply #288 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 8:46pm
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SkyChief wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 5:54pm:
As it turns out, I was right to ask if the withdrawal of US diplomats was preparation for military intervention.

earlier today,,  Pompeo said

"...every option is on the table to deliver to the Venezuelan people the democracy they deserve."

When he says EVERY OPTION, that's code for military option.  The thing is, it's not Pompeo's job to "deliver democracy" to Venezuela.   The US should not interfere in the political turmoil in Venezuela.

The Foreign Affairs Rep recognized Pompeo's hint of military force, and quickly warned:

"The crisis that affects [Venezuela] has political and institutional causes - it's not a natural disaster, and it's solution needs to be peaceful, political, and democratic.

We believe that NO military development from inside or outside of the country would be acceptable."


Of course they said every option is on the table.  What else are they supposed to say?  You never say an option is off the table.

That is a total zero news.  Yes, you're not a Republican, sucking up to Democrats totally proves that.  Great job.  They'll be oh so loyal to you too for that.  And you can buy the Brooklyn Bridge at a great price!

Chief's wife:  OMG, I'm leaving you.  It took 13 minutes for you to respond to my text.  What else could explain that except you have a girlfriend?
Chief:  I was at the gym
Chief's wife:  Ah, that explains the gym bag and sweat.  My bad

Chief's wife:  OK, now I am leaving.  It's 10 miles for you to work and back and you have 12 miles on your car.  That proves you have a girlfriend
Chief:  And it's 2 miles to the gym and back ...
Chief's wife:  Oh, makes sense.   Never mind

Chief:  Every option is on the table, that means they're going to the most extreme one!!!!

You're a chick, man
  

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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #289 - Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:06am
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SkyChief wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 7:33pm:
He didnt make any reference to elections in Venezuela, so I can't really say.

No.    

The European Foreign Affairs Council recognizes Venezuela as a sovereign State.   

They know that if any regime change is to happen, it must be initiated by the People of Venezuela - NOT the US (or any other foreign interest).

Hopefully, Trump will heed the EFAC's warning to stay out of the affairs of Venezuela.

Also, Russia backs Maduro, and any Miltary strike by the US might upset the delicate situation the US has with Russia.  I read that Russia currently has military assets in Venezuela.   

Any misstep by the US could would be a disaster.
Unless the EU is willing to address the way Maduro took power in Venezuela and condemn Chinese and Russian intervention in Venezuela today, they should just shut up.
  
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