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Reply #440 - Apr 6th, 2019 at 9:04pm
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"And the neocon-ization of the Trump administration continues."
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/neocon-watch/2019/april/04/pompeo-appoi...
  
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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #441 - Apr 7th, 2019 at 8:28am
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Tom Palven wrote on Apr 6th, 2019 at 9:04pm:
"And the neocon-ization of the Trump administration continues."
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/neocon-watch/2019/april/04/pompeo-appoi...


What makes her a neocon?  I realize asking the question makes me a neocon, but I don't know.

Do neocons have to be human?  Like if a mosquito bites you, is it a neocon?  What if a dog barks at you?  Neocon?
  

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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #442 - Apr 7th, 2019 at 8:40am
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kaz wrote on Apr 7th, 2019 at 8:28am:
What makes her a neocon?  I realize asking the question makes me a neocon, but I don't know.

Do neocons have to be human?  Like if a mosquito bites you, is it a neocon?  What if a dog barks at you?  Neocon?
I thought it was "leftist" warmongers wanting to ruin the label "conservative".

Maybe it's changed again...

You can't trust "progressives" with labels, as with language in general, they use labels to confuse people as much as possible.

Probably Chinese Emperor Xi could be accurately described as a "neocon." Putin too.
  
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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #443 - Apr 7th, 2019 at 10:49am
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Tom Palven wrote on Apr 6th, 2019 at 9:04pm:
"And the neocon-ization of the Trump administration continues."
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/neocon-watch/2019/april/04/pompeo-appoi...


Drop a link and leave. You don't dare engage with libertarians because their tactics destroy you in a debate.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #444 - Apr 7th, 2019 at 5:00pm
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The Opposition wrote on Apr 7th, 2019 at 10:49am:
Drop a link and leave. You don't dare engage with libertarians because their tactics destroy you in a debate.
Listen lizard, I warned you I was a professional propagandist for liberty,
so you should know that I use techniques of good propaganda, which not all libertarians do.

Don't keep lumping all libertarians together, there is a lot of variation...

Your problem is that libertarian ideas blow your nonsense out of the water with ease!  Smiley

  
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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #445 - Apr 7th, 2019 at 5:03pm
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The Opposition wrote on Apr 7th, 2019 at 10:49am:
Drop a link and leave. You don't dare engage with libertarians because their tactics destroy you in a debate.


Nah, solid libertarians and classical liberals like Murray Rothbard and more recent libertarians like Jacob Hornberger and Justin Raimondo who endorse the NAP don't use devious tactics or play with words.

Arguing with Jeff and Kaz is like arguing religion with hard-core Jesuits and Rabbis. 

When their religious arguments are shown to be illogical, things start boiling down to their own special definitions of things and they start getting a twinkle in their eyes and a tiny bit of a smile because these are tried and true gambits they've used before.

But, compared to Jesuits and Rabbis, Jeff and Kaz are real amateurs, resorting not only to their own definitions, but to silly ad hominems when the going gets rough.
  
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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #446 - Apr 7th, 2019 at 5:12pm
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Tom Palven wrote on Apr 7th, 2019 at 5:03pm:
Nah, solid libertarians like Murray Rothbard and more recent libertarians like Jacob Hornberger and Justin Raimondo who endorse the NAP don't use devious tactics or play with words.

Arguing with Jeff and Kaz is like arguing religion with hard-core Jesuits and Rabbis. 

When their religious arguments are shown to be illogical, things start boiling down to their own special definitions of things and they start getting a twinkle in their eyes and a tiny bit of a smile because these are tried and true gambits they've used before.

But, compared to Jesuits and Rabbis Jeff and Kaz are real amateurs, resorting to silly ad hominems when the going gets rough.


You can't play a game without rules.

You can't impose rules on someone unilaterally.

Absent moderation, those tactics win.

Just like without the Non-Aggression Principle, aggression wins.

No one can punch each other through the internet, so it's safe to say the NAP is in effect. This forum is an example of what you get when you have the NAP... and nothing else.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #447 - Apr 7th, 2019 at 6:54pm
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Tom Palven wrote on Apr 7th, 2019 at 5:03pm:
Nah, solid libertarians and classical liberals like Murray Rothbard and more recent libertarians like Jacob Hornberger and Justin Raimondo who endorse the NAP don't use devious tactics or play with words.
That's quite a stretch to call Rothbard a classical liberal.
  
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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #448 - Apr 7th, 2019 at 6:56pm
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The Opposition wrote on Apr 7th, 2019 at 5:12pm:
Just like without the Non-Aggression Principle, aggression wins.
That's why we have laws and police and courts and jails, to enforce the NAP. You make a good argument for limited government! Thanks. Kiss
  
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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #449 - Apr 7th, 2019 at 8:04pm
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Tom Palven wrote on Apr 7th, 2019 at 5:03pm:
Nah, solid libertarians and classical liberals like Murray Rothbard and more recent libertarians like Jacob Hornberger and Justin Raimondo who endorse the NAP don't use devious tactics or play with words


Not like you.  Rothbard is an anarcho capitalist, which is an anarchist.  He's not a classic liberal.  Classic liberals believe in limited government, like the founding fathers.  We don't believe in no government like anarchists

Tom Palven wrote on Apr 7th, 2019 at 5:03pm:
Arguing with Jeff and Kaz is like arguing religion with hard-core Jesuits and Rabbis. 

When their religious arguments are shown to be illogical, things start boiling down to their own special definitions of things and they start getting a twinkle in their eyes and a tiny bit of a smile because these are tried and true gambits they've used before.

But, compared to Jesuits and Rabbis, Jeff and Kaz are real amateurs, resorting not only to their own definitions, but to silly ad hominems when the going gets rough.


You think a neocon is anyone you don't like.  When I don't want to intervene in Venezuela, you think that proves I'm a neocon.  Because you don't like me.  You're useless in a discussion, so I'm having fun with you.  No one is more fun than someone with a gimungous stick up their ass, like you.

The worlds simplest neocon quiz.

Obama is a neocon, Rush isn't.  Why?

W is a neocon, Bernie isn't.  Why?

When you can answer those questions, you will know what a neocon is.  Those two questions hit the heart of what a neocon is, and isn't.  In the mean time, stock up on Kleenex, big baby
  

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