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Reply #550 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 4:50pm
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Tom Palven wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 4:28pm:
Most larger countries dominated by Abrahamic religions seem to be aggressive...
Really? Citation needed. Or at least flesh out your claim with more information or an explanation or two... Thanks.
  
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Reply #551 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 5:20pm
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Tom Palven wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 4:28pm:
Most larger countries dominated by Abrahamic religions seem to be aggressive


Don't forget the blood thirsty hordes from the north ... Canadians!
  

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kaz wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 5:20pm:
Don't forget the blood thirsty hordes from the north ... Canadians!
When you start trolling regularly kaz, it's far more obvious, but fun!

My suggestion would be that you cut your trolling down to 1.34658675309 times per century. (Galatic Centuries.)
  
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Reply #553 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 6:19pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 4:50pm:
Really? Citation needed. Or at least flesh out your claim with more information or an explanation or two... Thanks.



This is just a personal opinion looking at history going back at least to David and the foreskins:
https://www.biblehub.com/1_samuel/18-27.htm

Then, we have the bloody Turks, the bloody Nazis, the US invasion of Vietnam, and so on.

It just seems to me that Buddhism and Confucionism are more peaceful and tolerant than the Judeo-Christi-Islamic sects. 

You are certainly free to disagree.
  
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Tom Palven wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 6:19pm:
This is just a personal opinion looking at history going back at least to David and the foreskins:
https://www.biblehub.com/1_samuel/18-27.htm

Then, we have the bloody Turks...
Turks were foreskins? When?
  
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Reply #555 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 6:33pm
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Tom Palven wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 6:19pm:
It just seems to me that Buddhism and Confucionism are more peaceful and tolerant than the Judeo-Christi-Islamic sects. 

You are certainly free to disagree.
Less tribal? Are you certain?

I agree in general that most people who seek answers through the teachings of the Buddha are probably more laid back than Confucius, but Jesus preached peace to the extent that most of his disciples were pacifists. So there.

But it really depends on the individual disciples of any religion. Some preach pacifism, some say take up the sword.
  
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Reply #556 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 8:35pm
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Tom Palven wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 6:19pm:
This is just a personal opinion looking at history going back at least to David and the foreskins:
https://www.biblehub.com/1_samuel/18-27.htm

Then, we have the bloody Turks, the bloody Nazis, the US invasion of Vietnam, and so on.

It just seems to me that Buddhism and Confucionism are more peaceful and tolerant than the Judeo-Christi-Islamic sects. 

You are certainly free to disagree.


You're certainly among the most intolerant the Society of Friends has to offer.  You should go to the meeting house this week and ask forgiveness from the people you are driving off.  You're entitled to the views you have.  So are the people who think you don't believe that
  

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Reply #557 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 9:12am
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Neocon accidentally tells the truth about Venezuela.

Warning:  Ron Paul rambles a bit here.
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2019/june/06/pompeo-a...
  
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Reply #558 - Jun 9th, 2019 at 7:14am
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Tom Palven wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 9:12am:
Neocon accidentally tells the truth about Venezuela.

Warning:  Ron Paul rambles a bit here.
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2019/june/06/pompeo-a...
Venezuelans are resorting to barter:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-economy/with-venezuela-in-collapse-...

Chavez/Maduro had nothing to do with causing the problems, it was all a result of U.S. Imperialists! Without U.S interference, Venezuela would now be a socialist paradise, for sure!

It's clear, without U.S. interference worldwide for generations now, (Even in China...) the entire world would by now be a socialist paradise. Cheesy
  
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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #559 - Jun 10th, 2019 at 12:05pm
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Tom Palven wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 6:19pm:
This is just a personal opinion looking at history going back at least to David and the foreskins:
https://www.biblehub.com/1_samuel/18-27.htm

Then, we have the bloody Turks, the bloody Nazis, the US invasion of Vietnam, and so on.

It just seems to me that Buddhism and Confucionism are more peaceful and tolerant than the Judeo-Christi-Islamic sects. 

You are certainly free to disagree.

Likely driven by your greater knowledge of Western history vs Eastern. 
I suppose you could say that China wasn't particularly expansionist as they've basically had the same conception of what China was for the last 3000 years, they mostly didn't care much what the folks who occupied those areas thought on the matter.  Most recently, the South China Sea, Tibet, and Western China stand as examples of that.  Not to mention, they've also had a long history of bullying their non-Chinese neighbors. 

Prior to the English the largest Indian Empire was the Buddhist Empire of Ashoka, attained through conquest, then the Buddhists were driven out of India by the Hindus. 

The buddhist warrior monks of Japan were so violent and prone to revolt they were eventually suppressed by the Shoguns.  Not to mention that the Shinto/Buddhist Japanese eventually conquered the non Japanese Ainu to the North and the Ryukan Kingdom to the South, and lets not forget Japans WWII history.

South East Asian History has also been a long history of expansion by set of rulers from Viet Nam, or Cambodia, or Thailand that would later recede or collapse, only to be conquered by another from one of the other areas.

Then there's the empires of conquest in the Americas.  The Aztec, Maya, and Inca were very aggressive.

Rome, pre-Islamic Mesopotamia, the Vikings, Carthage, etc. 

Pretty much every group of folks to ever leave the steppes were violent conquerors of settled people.  The expansion and conquests by these pagans drove history up until the late middle ages.

Lets not forget, that even your example of the Abrahamic faiths, the aggression and expansionism of Israel and Judiah pail in comparison to pretty much everyone else around them at the time.


Speaking of South East Asia, if you think the US was bad, what about when the Chinese invaded Vietnam after we left and when the Vietnamese invaded Cambodia?  Granted, the Vietnamese were entirely justified and put down one of the worst most violent regimes in the world.  Its probably only coincidental that the Kmer Rouge were led by a bunch of former buddhist monks. 
  
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