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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #570 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 10:48am
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Tommy Palven wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 5:12am:
So, I guess that your point is that the Buddhist religion promotes or condones aggression and intolerance just as much as the Judeo-Christi-Islamic sects do.
No, its that humans are aggressive and violent regardless of the religious tradition, as Oppo says, its our tribalism and we can turn any minor difference into a tribe.  Even professed atheists have demonstrated that.

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Reply #571 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 12:21pm
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Tommy Palven wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 10:10am:
The Muslims are included , too. 

All Judeo-Christi-Islamic sects are included in he Old Testament-based  Abrahamic religions.
https://www.biblehub.com/1_samuel/18-27.htm

The difference in the Christian sects are that they also believe the kinder, gentler,  New Testament where God doesn't merely smite you or turn you into a pillar of salt. 

In the New Testament you break the rules and you get to burn in a fiery furnace forever.

(I just threw the link in as a gratuitous insult, sport.)


Didn't the U.S. intervene in South Africa to help the ANC take over? That was a good intervention right, because it helped get rid of apartheid and the government that enforced it?

Now there is yet another dismal socialist failure. Cry
  

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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #572 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 12:33pm
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Wonderful news for Venezuelans:

The annual inflation rate dipped below 1 Million percent.   Smiley

But there are no celebrations.  4 million people have already fled the country.

It takes days of waiting in lines to get gasoline because it is basically free.

The UN has issued a warning that 3.2 million children desperately need humanitarian aid.

https://www.reuters.com/video/2019/06/11/inflation-below-1-million-percent-but-v...
  
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Reply #573 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 4:55am
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This is the kind o thing that caused me to drop out of the LP years ago and label myself a classical liberal.
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2019/june/10/us-li...

The LP has always been solidly against foreign intervention except when it favors foreign intervention, in this case economic sanctions on Venezuela.

Economic sanctions on Venezuela (or Iran, Russia, North Korea, China, Turkey, etc.) are not intended to improve the economy of Venezuela or the lives of its people.
  
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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #574 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 6:29am
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Tommy Palven wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 4:55am:
This is the kind o thing that caused me to drop out of the LP years ago and label myself a classical liberal.
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2019/june/10/us-li...

The LP has always been solidly against foreign intervention except when it favors foreign intervention, in this case economic sanctions on Venezuela.

Economic sanctions on Venezuela (or Iran, Russia, North Korea, China, Turkey, etc.) are not intended to improve the economy of Venezuela or the lives of its people.
Right, you're a classical liberal except when you aren't, for instance when you oppose intellectual property rights...

Whether they work or not, sanctions are intended to improve the lives of people living under tyrannical governments in the long run. The most desirable goal is to have the governments in question become less tyrannical. Smiley

There isn't much evidence it works, but the intentions are good. Cool
  

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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #575 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 10:17am
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Tommy Palven wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 4:55am:
The LP has always been solidly against foreign intervention except when it favors foreign intervention, in this case economic sanctions on Venezuela.

Economic sanctions on Venezuela (or Iran, Russia, North Korea, China, Turkey, etc.) are not intended to improve the economy of Venezuela or the lives of its people.

That was a shocking article.

We expect this kind of crap (regime changes, intervention) from democrats and republicans.   

Libertarians should be smarter.    And we are.

There are basic libertarian tenets that one must embrace to be libertarian.  Venezuela is a sovereign country. The US has no right to impose sanctions or bring about a regime change.

Kyle Varner is a LINO (libertarian in name only).    The cat is out of the bag.
  
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Reply #576 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 10:22am
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 10:17am:
That was a shocking article.

We expect this kind of crap (regime changes, intervention) from democrats and republicans.   

Libertarians should be smarter.    And we are.

There are basic libertarian tenets that one must embrace to be libertarian.  Venezuela is a sovereign country. The US has no right to impose sanctions or bring about a regime change.

Kyle Varner is a LINO.   (libertarian in name only).


It's why I never joined the Libertarian Party even though they are usually better than the Republican and the Democrat and I often vote for them.  I don't need them to agree with me on every position, but there are some key positions they have I can't reconcile. 

That they haven't nominated an actual libertarian as their Presidential candidate since 2004 doesn't help either
  

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Reply #577 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 11:15am
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kaz wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 10:22am:
That [the LP] haven't nominated an actual libertarian as their Presidential candidate since 2004 doesn't help either

This bothers me too.   Undecided
  
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Reply #578 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 1:10pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 11:15am:
This bothers me too.   Undecided
Even the LP knows libertarians can't win... Even Ron Paul ran as a Republican to get elected to Congress.
  

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Reply #579 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 4:48pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 1:10pm:
Even the LP knows libertarians can't win... Even Ron Paul ran as a Republican to get elected to Congress.

That's pretty much it. 

There are two kinds of political parties. 

Type 1. Those that prioritize ideology. Greens and the LP of the 70s.
Type 2. Those that prioritize gaining power.   

Type 1 will never accomplish anything.  Type 2 may actually accomplish something related to the original ideology of the party but more likely they will compromise so much that they won't have a coherent ideology at all. 

The LP seems to have attempted to transition from the Type 1 to Type 2 and so far has failed.
  
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