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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #60 - May 12th, 2018 at 9:11pm
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Jeff wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 8:44am:
C'mon lizard, you know there are always going to be thieves and violent amoral people, rule breakers and cheaters.

You can't use that fact to justify your statement that therefore "no system will work well".

There is a well known system of equally administered law that works very well in comparison to "no system" or to arbitrary rule by tyrants.


Correct, any brand new system. Old systems invariably decay and fall. I've told you why, you just don't care to listen.
  

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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #61 - May 13th, 2018 at 9:07am
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The Opposition wrote on May 12th, 2018 at 9:11pm:
Correct, any brand new system. Old systems invariably decay and fall.
The system of government designed by our Constitution did not "decay" it was intentionally subverted, and it can be restored and made better in the restoration, which wouldn't make it "brand new", but merely greatly improved.

In the meantime, local governments and their police and courts do a pretty good job of deterring crime (yes, good policing reduces crime) except in "progressive" inner city ghettos created by the "Great Society" programs, places where there isn't good policing... Although their is good policing in the Mayor's neighborhood...

What you said first was that "societies" decay and fall. Thanks for changing it in mid-conversation to "systems".
  
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Reply #62 - May 13th, 2018 at 4:15pm
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Jeff wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 9:07am:
The system of government designed by our Constitution did not "decay" it was intentionally subverted,


Then the broccoli in my fridge didn't decay. Erwinia bacteria simply colonised and exploited it, producing stinky waste products and including cell walls, causing rot.

What exactly happened is not important. What is important is that something that causes it to decay is bound to happen. And I've explained how.
  

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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #63 - May 13th, 2018 at 4:41pm
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The Opposition wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 4:15pm:
Then the broccoli in my fridge didn't decay.
You are off your meds... When's the last time you took them? Can you remember?
  
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Reply #64 - May 13th, 2018 at 4:43pm
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The Opposition wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 4:15pm:
What exactly happened is not important. What is important is that something that causes it to decay is bound to happen. And I've explained how.
This is what always happens when you're off your meds, your personalities start to compete. I notice the dear Donat is taking control this time...
  
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Reply #65 - May 14th, 2018 at 12:26pm
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"The great Venezuelan handout machine is grinding to a halt just when President Nicolas Maduro needs it most... But as the president cements his socialist autocracy, his giveaway goodies show how far the country has fallen."

more at:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-14/no-car-but-have-some-tuna-ven...
  
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Reply #66 - May 14th, 2018 at 12:55pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 12:26pm:
"The great Venezuelan handout machine is grinding to a halt just when President Nicolas Maduro needs it most... But as the president cements his socialist autocracy, his giveaway goodies show how far the country has fallen."

more at:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-14/no-car-but-have-some-tuna-ven...


You're obsessed with hate because you have to somehow make up for the mess your own country is now in. And your country is rich and it shouldn't be that way for you.

There have been far too many instances of US interference in small countries that has resulted in theri destruction and torture of the people through economic blackmail.

But that doesn't expalain why Americans are so full of hate for their victims.

Maybe it's because Americans must not be allowed to think of people's childrent suffering and so have to think of them as evil and not just children.?

Your hate smells a lot like racism Chief. Keep it up and you'll earn yourself a step up the racism ladder.
  
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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #67 - May 14th, 2018 at 6:55pm
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Sicklers Dink wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 12:55pm:
You're obsessed with hate because you have to somehow make up for the mess your own country is now in. And your country is rich and it shouldn't be that way for you.

Your hate smells a lot like racism Chief. Keep it up and you'll earn yourself a step up the racism ladder.

Nonsense.  Just because I think the socialist government of Venezuela has failed the Venezuelan people doesn't mean I hate them.

You get so emotional when anyone points out the failings of socialism.  Why can't you just admit that it doesn't work?  Those poor poeple are suffering - they're malnourished and must resort to crime to get food.

They're eating their pets! 

Sicklers Dink wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 12:55pm:
There have been far too many instances of US interference in small countries that has resulted in theri destruction and torture of the people through economic blackmail.

I'm with you on this.  Most libertarians want the US intervention to stop.  There needs to be more limitations on the US government. 


"The first step in restoring liberty is to restore the limitations on government"  - SkyChief
  
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Reply #68 - May 14th, 2018 at 10:35pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 6:55pm:
Those poor people are suffering - they're malnourished and must resort to crime to get food.

They're eating their pets! 


This happened because the number of people living off resources obtained by others grew beyond the ability of those obtaining the resources to support them.

I'm trying to explain to Troll and Troller that it will still happen even if the people living off resources obtained by others get them voluntarily. It's not terribly likely that this would actually happen that way, but it would still cause a collapse.
  

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Re: Venezuela - A Dismal Socialist Failure
Reply #69 - May 15th, 2018 at 8:36am
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The Opposition wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 10:35pm:
This happened because the number of people living off resources obtained by others grew beyond the ability of those obtaining the resources to support them.

It's easier to say that the Venezuelan government established a bad system of government that restricted people's rights and economic liberty, a "socialist system".
  
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