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Why be Surprised that Left Media and Statist Politicians Abuse Women?
May 8th, 2018 at 9:58am
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The whole point of statism/socialism is that when you rilly, rilly want something, it's perfectly fine to take it by force.

It's silly to be surprised that show-biz folk (including the news media) who preach that philosophy and government officials who practice that philosophy also apply it to their personal lives. 

The aging producers, lawmakers, attorney's general, and journalists feel they should be able to help themselves to unwanted gropes and stolen kisses from the young females in their offices for the same reason they should be able to have cocobolo desks and a taxpayer funded wet bar in their offices:  They serve the people, comrade!  They need to be able relax so their minds can be free to strategize to serve our needs!  Same reason the pigs on Animal Farm had to be allowed to sleep in the human beds after leading a revolution against humans who - among other crimes - slept on beds.

Once we accept that it is moral to use force or at least that there are greater goods in whose service we can ignore the immorality of force, there is no logical place at which to draw the line. 

When an IRS agent takes my money, is it really that much worse if he pinches my backside while lifting my wallet?  This is not addressed so much to the self described "progressives" on here, but to those who claim to be libertarian while still supporting taxation by force.




  

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Re: Why be Surprised that Left Media and Statist Politicians Abuse Women?
Reply #1 - May 8th, 2018 at 11:37am
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You're ready too much into it.  Its about powerful dudes getting away with what they can.  I suppose if politics come in, its more along the lines of lefties not wanting to be judged for being slutty.
  
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ahhell wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 11:37am:
You're ready too much into it.  Its about powerful dudes getting away with what they can. 


And sadly it's not frowned upon by Trump or his followers. It seems that the more Trump behaves poorly, the more he's loved for it.

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I suppose if politics come in, its more along the lines of lefties not wanting to be judged for being slutty. 


True in this case by a Democrat, they are making sure it's not their party that is known for supporting such behaviour by rooting it out quickly.

But on the other side, a person like Roy Moore nearly succeeded  in being elected even though he had been proven to have fkd and diddling little girls. Children really.
  
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Reply #3 - May 9th, 2018 at 12:51am
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Actually, I see a lot of parallels with Don's behaviour. Since he's the Bishop of Racism and Sexism, he gets to be as sexist as he wants.

Deep down, all people prefer people who are like them to people who are unlike them.

Deep down, I think all males consider that they are superior to females.

Those of us who don't actively pull a Spock on these deep-rooted emotional biases are going to be more racist and sexist than those who don't. Nobody is innocent, just like people aren't innocent of being hungry, thirsty, or horny.

Leftists don't have to repress their biased garbage because nobody's attacking them for it.

And you can see the evidence of this every time Don opens his fat mouth.

You can see it in religion too. The biggest, fattest mouths screaming that everyone is evil are able to get away with the most themselves, and they end up bucking little boys' futts.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #4 - May 9th, 2018 at 7:19am
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Snarky Sack wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 9:58am:
The whole point of statism/socialism is that when you rilly, rilly want something, it's perfectly fine to take it by force.

It's silly to be surprised that show-biz folk (including the news media) who preach that philosophy and government officials who practice that philosophy also apply it to their personal lives. 

The aging producers, lawmakers, attorney's general, and journalists feel they should be able to help themselves to unwanted gropes and stolen kisses from the young females in their offices for the same reason they should be able to have cocobolo desks and a taxpayer funded wet bar in their offices:  They serve the people, comrade!  They need to be able relax so their minds can be free to strategize to serve our needs!  Same reason the pigs on Animal Farm had to be allowed to sleep in the human beds after leading a revolution against humans who - among other crimes - slept on beds.

Once we accept that it is moral to use force or at least that there are greater goods in whose service we can ignore the immorality of force, there is no logical place at which to draw the line. 

When an IRS agent takes my money, is it really that much worse if he pinches my backside while lifting my wallet?  This is not addressed so much to the self described "progressives" on here, but to those who claim to be libertarian while still supporting taxation by force.




That was a long way around to get back to your "taxation is theft" argument.
  
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Reply #5 - May 9th, 2018 at 9:47am
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Jeff wrote on May 9th, 2018 at 7:19am:
That was a long way around to get back to your "taxation is theft" argument.


It's all part of the same mentality:  "If I rilly, rilly want it, then it's ok for me to take it by force."

If you can explain how taxation is not based on that attitude, I'm all ears.


  

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Reply #6 - May 9th, 2018 at 10:10am
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Snarky Sack wrote on May 9th, 2018 at 9:47am:
If you can explain how taxation is not based on that attitude, I'm all ears.


Glad you are listening. 

Most taxation is actually user fees. 

Consider a Condo association in a place Billie would LIKE to live.  They charge a huge fee, maintain a gated community, do yard care, and impose rules about what you can put on your porch.  People pay it willingly because they want the quality of life.  So this is a user fee.

Now consider the run down dump where Billie really lives.  They charge a huge fee, maintain water and sewer services and access to companies that provide electricity and internet service.  They impose law and order, and allow Billie to call the cops whenever someone he doesn't like, who is not on his property, bothers him.

The portion of taxes that pay for services that directly benefit YOU are user fees and not theft.  The portion of taxes to pay for services that benefit others, like schools to educate the miscreants next door, also benefit you when the miscreants get a job and move away rather than stealing your stuff. 

If you do not choose to pay your user fees, you can move to a community that does not have condo fees or does not have taxes.  Many options are available here.  If you don't like income tax, then arrane your income in such a way so it is not taxed.  Trump did a great job of this using property offsets. 

Expecting services for free, like free health care, or free access to courts, electricity, streets or a property authority who allows you to "own" land that was stolen is theft.  Those services are paid by user fees, often in the form of taxes.  The user fee portion of taxes is not theft.
  
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JW wrote on May 9th, 2018 at 10:10am:
Glad you are listening. 

Most taxation is actually user fees. 

Consider a Condo association in a place Billie would LIKE to live.  They charge a huge fee, maintain a gated community, do yard care, and impose rules about what you can put on your porch.  People pay it willingly because they want the quality of life.  So this is a user fee.

Now consider the run down dump where Billie really lives.  They charge a huge fee, maintain water and sewer services and access to companies that provide electricity and internet service.  They impose law and order, and allow Billie to call the cops whenever someone he doesn't like, who is not on his property, bothers him.

The portion of taxes that pay for services that directly benefit YOU are user fees and not theft.  The portion of taxes to pay for services that benefit others, like schools to educate the miscreants next door, also benefit you when the miscreants get a job and move away rather than stealing your stuff. 

If you do not choose to pay your user fees, you can move to a community that does not have condo fees or does not have taxes.  Many options are available here.  If you don't like income tax, then arrane your income in such a way so it is not taxed.  Trump did a great job of this using property offsets. 

Expecting services for free, like free health care, or free access to courts, electricity, streets or a property authority who allows you to "own" land that was stolen is theft.  Those services are paid by user fees, often in the form of taxes.  The user fee portion of taxes is not theft.


Now that's some 'socially responsible' thinking JW!

Can you see any logic in the Chief's notion that income tax should be abolished and another hundred of so taxes be brought in to take it's place.

I think income taxation is the only real solution for fairness but the dodges and loopholes must be eliminated.

You've mentioned already how Trump is working to provide more of those to the wealthy and thereby steal the rest of the people's money.
  
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Re: Why be Surprised that Left Media and Statist Politicians Abuse Women?
Reply #8 - May 9th, 2018 at 12:09pm
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Now that's some 'socially responsible' thinking JW!

Can you see any logic in the Chief's notion that income tax should be abolished and another hundred of so taxes be brought in to take it's place.

I think income taxation is the only real solution for fairness but the dodges and loopholes must be eliminated.

JW was talking about PROPERTY taxes, not Income taxes.

You DO know the difference, right?   Huh
  
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Reply #9 - May 9th, 2018 at 12:48pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 9th, 2018 at 12:09pm:
JW was talking about PROPERTY taxes, not Income taxes.

You DO know the difference, right?   Huh


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If you don't like income tax, then arrane your income in such a way so it is not taxed.  Trump did a great job of this using property offsets.


You stepped right in the dog shit early today numbnuts!

Otherwise, your left/right comments apply to Americans.
  
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