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Reply #40 - May 14th, 2018 at 2:57pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 1:29pm:
“Public need?” “Generally helpful?” “Fair price?

Pretty vague terms for justifying taking property by force.
It was thought it would be necessary to have such a power to take land for military bases/forts/naval ports and for post roads.

Those were considered needs that would benefit the entire nation.

As for "fair market prices/value" that wasn't hard to determine because they were taking mostly unimproved land or parts of previously existing private roads, which would then be improved.

And you don't have to accept the offer they make, you can take the issue to the courts, just as you can challenge that the taking is for "public use".

Of course "progressives" changed the meaning of the Constitution again on this issue, deciding that "public use" actually means "public purpose" (which to "progressives" means purposes that suit the government's agenda), but you can't blame the Constitution or the Framers for the butchering of the Constitution that's been done by "progressives".
  
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Reply #41 - May 14th, 2018 at 3:24pm
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Jeff wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 2:57pm:
It was thought


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Those were considered


Why keep using the passive voice?  WHO thought?  WHO considered?

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you can't blame the Constitution or the Framers for the butchering of the Constitution that's been done by "progressives".


I absolutely blame them.

  

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Reply #42 - May 14th, 2018 at 5:15pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 3:24pm:
Why keep using the passive voice?  WHO thought?  WHO considered?


I absolutely blame them.

WHO?
  
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Reply #43 - May 15th, 2018 at 1:44am
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Snarky Sack wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 3:24pm:
I absolutely blame them.


Me too.

Billie: You can't blame the guy who didn't pasteurise the milk and didn't put it in the fridge for what bacteria did to it!

Whenever there's an energy source (power, just like food, counts as energy because it can do work) organisms will exploit it if they can. The idea is to make it so they can't.

If the Constitution wasn't supposed to be effective pasteurisation, or an effective fridge, it's completely meaningless.

If Billie wants us to watch the milk with a microscope and somehow punish every bacterium mitosing in there (and she still hasn't said how vigilance is any defence, just that it is) then she's a fool.

And just because I know what's coming...

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Jeff wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 5:15pm:
WHO?


The Doctor, obviously.

  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #44 - May 15th, 2018 at 8:54am
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SnarkySack wrote yesterday at 3:24pm:
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Why keep using the passive voice?  WHO thought?  WHO considered?


I absolutely blame them.


Jeff wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 5:15pm:
WHO?


LoL!  Nice try!

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you can't blame the Constitution or the Framers for the butchering of the Constitution that's been done by "progressives".



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I absolutely blame them.



It is obvious who I meant and it was not in the passive voice.

But to save you the effort of making twenty more posts trying to convince us that you had no idea who I meant:

I absolutely blame the writers and ratifiers of the U.S. Constitution for the utter failure of that document to protect freedom and limit government.

  

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Reply #45 - May 15th, 2018 at 9:35am
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Snarky Sack wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 8:54am:
I absolutely blame the writers and ratifiers of the U.S. Constitution for the utter failure of that document to protect freedom and limit government.

You are blaming the wrong people.

Constitutional limits were largely respected and maintained until the Progressive Era, when "progressives" destroyed those limits by "interpretation" and amendments.

Look mainly to the Supreme Court that FDR cowed into submission to get them to authorize "The New Deal".

Incidentally, classical liberals/libertarians fought them every step of the way.
  
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Reply #46 - May 15th, 2018 at 1:14pm
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Jeff wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 9:35am:
You are blaming the wrong people.

Constitutional limits were largely respected and maintained until the Progressive Era,


Explain how George Washington's riding out in front of federalized militia to collect a sin tax that was applied unequally among the states respected constitutional limits.  How did that do anything except to make the point that might makes right and even when it doesn't, it's still might?  (Or do you claim that George's ride was the start of the progressive era?)

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when "progressives" destroyed those limits by "interpretation" and amendments.

Look mainly to the Supreme Court that FDR cowed into submission to get them to authorize "The New Deal".

Incidentally, classical liberals/libertarians fought them every step of the way.


"Classical liberal" =/= libertarian.
  

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Reply #47 - May 15th, 2018 at 2:03pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
Explain how George Washington's riding out in front of federalized militia to collect a sin tax that was applied unequally among the states respected constitutional limits.
I believe the tax on whiskey applied equally to all whiskey no matter where it was produced.

The rationale was that the farmers were in rebellion against a legitimate tax.
  
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Reply #48 - May 15th, 2018 at 2:06pm
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Snarky Sack wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
"Classical liberal" =/= libertarian.
It's true that modern libertarians have much improved and refined theories and policy prescriptions, but yes, libertarians (except for the lunatic anarchist fringe, who weren't classical liberals either) are classical liberals and would probably stil be called just "liberals if "progressives" hadn't stolen and ruined the term.
  
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